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    Trade Ben, Start Landry Jones

    Trade Ben and get 2 first rounders and build for the future... around Landry Jones.

    Ok... just kidding. Jones did look good on that first drive.

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    Ive been tough on the kid. But he does look good tonight. Maybe we have a prospect here.

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    Jones has the IT factor. Every week he looks better, throws great balls and is improving as a QB under center. When all is said and done, I believe he is the Steelers eventual starter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn View Post
    Jones has the IT factor. Every week he looks better, throws great balls and is improving as a QB under center. When all is said and done, I believe he is the Steelers eventual starter.

    Actually that is what he doesn't have!!! He has all the tools.....just not that "gimmie the ball and lets win this f*&%$#r attitude"
    Trade our 1/15 to SF for 1/30, 2/56, 4/129

    1/30-Louis Nix-DT-ND
    2/46-Stephon Tuitt-DE-ND
    2/56-Jordan Mathews-WR-Vandy
    3/97-Phillip Gaines-CB-Rice
    4/118-Taylor Hart-DE-Oregon
    4/129-Lache Seastrunk-RB-Baylor
    5/157-Aaron Colvin-DB-Oklahoma
    5/173-Brandon Thomas-OL-Clemson
    6/192-Ka'Deem Carey-RB-Arizona
    6/215-Prince Shembo-OLB_Notre Dame
    7/230-Colt Lyerla-TE-Oregon













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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn View Post
    Jones has the "INT" factor.
    There fixed that for you Shawn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Lemming View Post
    There fixed that for you Shawn.
    As a four year starter at Oklahoma he didnt have the "INT" factor. 123 TD's to 52 int's shows me he actually had the "IT" factor.
    Steelers 2014 Draft

    1-Darqueze Dennard CB Michigan State
    2-Jordan Matthews WR Vanderbilt
    3-Jordan Tripp ILB/OLB Montana
    4-Christian Jones ILB Florida State
    5-Brent Urban DE Virginia
    5-Michael Schofield OG/OT Michigan
    6-Kadeem Edwards OG Tennessee State
    6-Ben Gardner DE Stanford
    7-Aaron Colvin CB Oklahoma

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dee Dub View Post
    As a four year starter at Oklahoma he didnt have the "INT" factor. 123 TD's to 52 int's shows me he actually had the "IT" factor.
    After discussing the "pros" and "cons" scouting report say:

    BOTTOMLINE
    TheNFL-sized pocket passer can be decisive and flashes the accuracy topick apart defenses at the next level. However, his tendency to getrattled under pressure is a major issue. Also, when things start togo downhill, he lacks a short memory; his confidence is shaken. He isalso inconsistent in his reads and decision making.


    That was based on his college play.
    That is EXACTLY what we saw last night, first drive was EXACTLY the "good" in that evaluation. The rest of the night was the bad in that evaluation.

    I hope I am wrong but you are not seeing just "a new system" or "rookie jitters" this is EXACTLY what evaluators saw in him in college. Compared to TYPICAL ROOKIE QBs (consider the no-name bum rooks we had in years past) he simply lacks consistent poise. Not just in games but through most of training camp.

    The fact is you rarely see a QB "grow out" of "easily rattled" and "easily shaken confidence".

    Confidence and swagger are something you have or you dont have.

    Some are talking future starter material?

    I am sorry but EVEN IF he can be a capable starter I do not like this tendency, since the same guy who is easily rattled in college is unlikely to ever win you a Superbowl.

    Again I "hope" I am wrong but you cannot go "see this is what I mean see how great he is" after drive one (which started the thread) and follow with "the rest does not matter" when the game "good and bad" fits his anticipated profile to a "T".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Lemming View Post
    After discussing the "pros" and "cons" scouting report say:

    BOTTOMLINE
    TheNFL-sized pocket passer can be decisive and flashes the accuracy topick apart defenses at the next level. However, his tendency to getrattled under pressure is a major issue. Also, when things start togo downhill, he lacks a short memory; his confidence is shaken. He isalso inconsistent in his reads and decision making.


    That was based on his college play.
    That is EXACTLY what we saw last night, first drive was EXACTLY the "good" in that evaluation. The rest of the night was the bad in that evaluation.

    I hope I am wrong but you are not seeing just "a new system" or "rookie jitters" this is EXACTLY what evaluators saw in him in college. Compared to TYPICAL ROOKIE QBs (consider the no-name bum rooks we had in years past) he simply lacks consistent poise. Not just in games but through most of training camp.

    The fact is you rarely see a QB "grow out" of "easily rattled" and "easily shaken confidence".

    Confidence and swagger are something you have or you dont have.

    Some are talking future starter material?

    I am sorry but EVEN IF he can be a capable starter I do not like this tendency, since the same guy who is easily rattled in college is unlikely to ever win you a Superbowl.

    Again I "hope" I am wrong but you cannot go "see this is what I mean see how great he is" after drive one (which started the thread) and follow with "the rest does not matter" when the game "good and bad" fits his anticipated profile to a "T".
    Well there it is there. This has to be true, right?

    Thing is, his 4 years numbers dont reflect that he got rattled all that often. Last year alone he was nearly 3 to 1 TD's versus picks and was only sacked 13 times. And completed 66.1% of his passes. I like using my eyes more than my ears when evaluating a players ability. But that's just me.

    SEASON CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT RAW QBR ADJ QBR
    2009 261 449 3198 58.1 7.12 67 26 14 12 130.8 43.0 51.0
    2010 405 617 4718 65.6 7.65 86 38 12 19 146.3 63.7 70.6
    2011 355 562 4463 63.2 7.94 64 29 15 10 141.6 72.5 73.7
    2012 367 555 4267 66.1 7.69 76 30 11 13 144.6 75.0 80.7
    Steelers 2014 Draft

    1-Darqueze Dennard CB Michigan State
    2-Jordan Matthews WR Vanderbilt
    3-Jordan Tripp ILB/OLB Montana
    4-Christian Jones ILB Florida State
    5-Brent Urban DE Virginia
    5-Michael Schofield OG/OT Michigan
    6-Kadeem Edwards OG Tennessee State
    6-Ben Gardner DE Stanford
    7-Aaron Colvin CB Oklahoma

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Lemming View Post
    After discussing the "pros" and "cons" scouting report say:

    BOTTOMLINE
    TheNFL-sized pocket passer can be decisive and flashes the accuracy topick apart defenses at the next level. However, his tendency to getrattled under pressure is a major issue. Also, when things start togo downhill, he lacks a short memory; his confidence is shaken. He isalso inconsistent in his reads and decision making.


    That was based on his college play.
    That is EXACTLY what we saw last night, first drive was EXACTLY the "good" in that evaluation. The rest of the night was the bad in that evaluation.

    I hope I am wrong but you are not seeing just "a new system" or "rookie jitters" this is EXACTLY what evaluators saw in him in college. Compared to TYPICAL ROOKIE QBs (consider the no-name bum rooks we had in years past) he simply lacks consistent poise. Not just in games but through most of training camp.

    The fact is you rarely see a QB "grow out" of "easily rattled" and "easily shaken confidence".

    Confidence and swagger are something you have or you dont have.

    Some are talking future starter material?

    I am sorry but EVEN IF he can be a capable starter I do not like this tendency, since the same guy who is easily rattled in college is unlikely to ever win you a Superbowl.

    Again I "hope" I am wrong but you cannot go "see this is what I mean see how great he is" after drive one (which started the thread) and follow with "the rest does not matter" when the game "good and bad" fits his anticipated profile to a "T".
    Spot on... and this is coming from someone who loved the pick because it showed me we are at least willing to try to upgrade the QB position with a possible starter in the future vs a run first, hybrid black QB who we know damn well isn't going to make it past the last round of cuts.

    I was at the game and what I saw was EXACTLY what I witnessed when watching him at OU. The kid is good.... he has all the tools but like I said earlier.. the kid is a bleeder.

    Once he gets rattled he doesn't stop. Look at last night. Started out good.. got rattled on that 3rd down play and threw a HORRIBLE INT. Then he follows it up with a WTF was that INT.

    I hope he can elevate his game but it's not like the kid is going to get reps in practice with the first team or play meaningful ball anytime soon so unless he goes and see's a specialist or meditates on Buddha I can't see this part of his game changing.

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    Slow down... he's a bleeder

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