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    so now he is the next bradshaw.

    you guys are killing me with this stuff. Please keep going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Lemming View Post
    After discussing the "pros" and "cons" scouting report say:

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    TheNFL-sized pocket passer can be decisive and flashes the accuracy topick apart defenses at the next level. However, his tendency to getrattled under pressure is a major issue. Also, when things start togo downhill, he lacks a short memory; his confidence is shaken. He isalso inconsistent in his reads and decision making.


    That was based on his college play.
    That is EXACTLY what we saw last night, first drive was EXACTLY the "good" in that evaluation. The rest of the night was the bad in that evaluation.

    I hope I am wrong but you are not seeing just "a new system" or "rookie jitters" this is EXACTLY what evaluators saw in him in college. Compared to TYPICAL ROOKIE QBs (consider the no-name bum rooks we had in years past) he simply lacks consistent poise. Not just in games but through most of training camp.

    The fact is you rarely see a QB "grow out" of "easily rattled" and "easily shaken confidence".

    Confidence and swagger are something you have or you dont have.

    Some are talking future starter material?

    I am sorry but EVEN IF he can be a capable starter I do not like this tendency, since the same guy who is easily rattled in college is unlikely to ever win you a Superbowl.

    Again I "hope" I am wrong but you cannot go "see this is what I mean see how great he is" after drive one (which started the thread) and follow with "the rest does not matter" when the game "good and bad" fits his anticipated profile to a "T".
    Spot on... and this is coming from someone who loved the pick because it showed me we are at least willing to try to upgrade the QB position with a possible starter in the future vs a run first, hybrid black QB who we know damn well isn't going to make it past the last round of cuts.

    I was at the game and what I saw was EXACTLY what I witnessed when watching him at OU. The kid is good.... he has all the tools but like I said earlier.. the kid is a bleeder.

    Once he gets rattled he doesn't stop. Look at last night. Started out good.. got rattled on that 3rd down play and threw a HORRIBLE INT. Then he follows it up with a WTF was that INT.

    I hope he can elevate his game but it's not like the kid is going to get reps in practice with the first team or play meaningful ball anytime soon so unless he goes and see's a specialist or meditates on Buddha I can't see this part of his game changing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dee Dub View Post
    Well there it is there. This has to be true, right?

    Thing is, his 4 years numbers dont reflect that he got rattled all that often. Last year alone he was nearly 3 to 1 TD's versus picks and was only sacked 13 times. And completed 66.1% of his passes. I like using my eyes more than my ears when evaluating a players ability. But that's just me.

    SEASON CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT RAW QBR ADJ QBR
    2009 261 449 3198 58.1 7.12 67 26 14 12 130.8 43.0 51.0
    2010 405 617 4718 65.6 7.65 86 38 12 19 146.3 63.7 70.6
    2011 355 562 4463 63.2 7.94 64 29 15 10 141.6 72.5 73.7
    2012 367 555 4267 66.1 7.69 76 30 11 13 144.6 75.0 80.7
    you do realize that within those stats are actual games where he folded like a cheap tent? I watched this kid tear it up... but I also watched him give games away under pressure.

    I hope he shakes this off but what we saw last night is EXACTLY why he fell in the draft. Mentally he is weak when under pressure... I don't know what it is but his arm does some funny things after he throws an INT or gets the shakes.

    That second INT was typical Jones... he threw it like he didn't trust it and it was an awful pass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Spaghetti View Post
    so now he is the next bradshaw.

    you guys are killing me with this stuff. Please keep going.

    You are bright enough to know straw men arguments are not solid. You know that isn't what I was saying. I am saying there are QBs who have been known for being insecure head cases who threw tons of picks, improve to become great QBs. I read several of you say people can't out grow that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Spaghetti View Post
    you do realize that goes both ways, right? You guys are landry fanboys, I get it.

    you will never convince me a 3 year project QB merits a 4th round draft pick. Its patently ridiculous.

    quoting big 12 stats just shows you are grasping at straws.
    I dont need to convince you. The proof is in the pudding. Ever here of Rich Gannon? 4th round pick who took nearly half his career to develop? He took a team to the Super Bowl.

    Not so ridiculous.

    And you arent going to convince me based on pre-season stats in a QB's first pro experience that he is an awful and will never amount to anything.
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    so we invest multiple years into a project QB and hope for rich gannon?

    no thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dee Dub View Post
    I dont need to convince you. The proof is in the pudding. Ever here of Rich Gannon? 4th round pick who took nearly half his career to develop? He took a team to the Super Bowl.

    Not so ridiculous.

    And you arent going to convince me based on pre-season stats in a QB's first pro experience that he is an awful and will never amount to anything.
    he have 4 or 5 TD's in that SB too?




    for the other team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn View Post
    You are bright enough to know straw men arguments are not solid. You know that isn't what I was saying. I am saying there are QBs who have been known for being insecure head cases who threw tons of picks, improve to become great QBs. I read several of you say people can't out grow that.
    only issue I have is how long it may take since he won't see real action for 3 or 4 years... can't out grow that unless you play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Spaghetti View Post
    so we invest multiple years into a project QB and hope for rich gannon?

    no thanks.
    Sign me up. Beats spending several first round picks to finally find Ben's future replacement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by feltdizz View Post
    only issue I have is how long it may take since he won't see real action for 3 or 4 years... can't out grow that unless you play.
    You may have a point there. But, I suspect he will push for the 2nd string spot by next season. We both know Ben won't hold up forever and Jones will get his chances.

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