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    Jarvis vs. Jason

    While I think Worilds gets the week 1 start. I would play Jarvis. While I think he still has alot to learn and is prone to mistakes I think he has more chance to impact the game with big plays. Will he get burned and blow some assignments to give up some first downs yes. But I believe he has a greater potential to wreck havoc. Having said that Worilds is the safe pick but I am not sure the correct one.
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    I guarantee you that whoever starts in the 3rd preseason game WILL be the starter in the regular season opener. The 3rd preseason game is basically the one game that teams play their main starters for most of the game, even more then the 4th preseason game. So, if Jones is out there to begin against KC, he will be the starter against the Titans.

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    if it were me, i'd play Jarvis. he'll take his lumps, but, the team would be better by midseason than playing Worilds... and the defensive backfield is good enough to recover (in most cases) from his mistakes...

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    I'd start JJ because he's a better fit on the right side. And he's got a nose for the ball and will be a turnover creating machine. Worilds looks better suited to play LOLB. I'd rotate in Worilds and Robinson a lot to keep a fresh pass rush going.

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    my biggest problem with JJ at this point is he seems to not have very many pass rush moves... it's all speed. but, if he gets pushed past the pocket, it's done... he doesn't quit -- he just doesn't recover.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelerOfDeVille View Post
    my biggest problem with JJ at this point is he seems to not have very many pass rush moves... it's all speed. but, if he gets pushed past the pocket, it's done... he doesn't quit -- he just doesn't recover.
    "It's all speed"... for a guy who runs in the 4.9 range, that's not good.

    Seriously, I've seen RBs get to the edge on him more than once this season. And with that in mind, I watched a UGA replay from last year, where a runner got around the edge on him. The guy is slow, even though he does flash a lot and make "speed" plays a lot. It's hard to explain.

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    "It's all speed"... for a guy who runs in the 4.9 range, that's not good.

    Seriously, I've seen RBs get to the edge on him more than once this season. And with that in mind, I watched a UGA replay from last year, where a runner got around the edge on him. The guy is slow, even though he does flash a lot and make "speed" plays a lot. It's hard to explain.

    Eh... Id argue against that.


    He pulled his hammy running the first 40 about half way through. Only thing was accurate was his 10 yard split (1.66) Which is identical to Aldon Smith who ran a 4.71 40


    Also, Butler thinks that Jarvis, actually runs about a 4.7 or so.


    He can play slow at times, but he is nowhere near slow (also see the florida game where he chased the WR down and stripped the ball to stop a game winning touchdown)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dupree View Post
    Eh... Id argue against that.

    He pulled his hammy running the first 40 about half way through. Only thing was accurate was his 10 yard split (1.66) Which is identical to Aldon Smith who ran a 4.71 40

    Also, Butler thinks that Jarvis, actually runs about a 4.7 or so.

    He can play slow at times, but he is nowhere near slow (also see the florida game where he chased the WR down and stripped the ball to stop a game winning touchdown)

    I agree with you.

    Jarvis Jones may not be track fast but he's football fast, and I'll take that every time over being a star at the Underwear Olympics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoe View Post
    "It's all speed"... for a guy who runs in the 4.9 range, that's not good.

    Seriously, I've seen RBs get to the edge on him more than once this season. And with that in mind, I watched a UGA replay from last year, where a runner got around the edge on him. The guy is slow, even though he does flash a lot and make "speed" plays a lot. It's hard to explain.
    (ahem... 3 weeks later)... we basically agree, but, in addition to the fact that he had a hammy injury, I contend that football speed isn't necessarily the same... some of it is instinct and getting a good jump, some is being able to run the same speed in equipment... i recall Marcus Allen was mid-4.6's in the 40... that's crawling for a RB... he did alright... on the flip side, have you ever seen a 4.4 guy who just looks slow? happens a lot with WR's who can't get open. I don't know if it's a matter of reacting instead of thinking your way through the game... it's weird.

    On a totally different note, I hope he and Mike Adams pan out. I thought it was cool that in back to back years, the team got guys who fell, but, WANTED to be Steelers.... "elite talent chooses black and gold"

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelerOfDeVille View Post
    (ahem... 3 weeks later)... we basically agree, but, in addition to the fact that he had a hammy injury, I contend that football speed isn't necessarily the same... some of it is instinct and getting a good jump, some is being able to run the same speed in equipment... i recall Marcus Allen was mid-4.6's in the 40... that's crawling for a RB... he did alright... on the flip side, have you ever seen a 4.4 guy who just looks slow? happens a lot with WR's who can't get open. I don't know if it's a matter of reacting instead of thinking your way through the game... it's weird.
    Watch Carl Lewis run. Dude did not start fast (for a world class sprinter) he got faster towards the end of the 100 meters. Some receivers are like that. Matt Jones never seemed as fast as he timed (I was one who wanted us to take him). Marcus Allen had a "burst" hit the hole and got to his top speed instantly but others are faster over 40 yards. Jarvis Jones looks like he has an explosive "burst" like that but his top speed over 40 yards may be modest. I heard (not confirmed) that Lloyds 40 speed was not that great, but he sure had a burst that puts faster players to shame.

    Troy is the extreme case of this. Very fast AND has a freakish burst. VERY FAST, drafted a sub 4.4. But he seems freaky fast because he gets to his top gear WAY before anybody else can making everybody look slow. Another factor in Troy's perceived speed is his recognition lets him get a jump on the play. That is how he can be deep in coverage and make a play in the backfield in a freakish blur. What we miss is that he starts running FULL SPEED at the LOS before the ball is snapped. EVERYONE in the game has just STARTED moving nobody has reached any speed and he is FLYING at the ballcarrier at what appears to be superhuman velocity. The fact that his speed is human is shown when he is chasing a receiver who has reached his top speed. Often the top speed of Troy and a fast receiver is similar and Troy cannot close the gap.

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