Pouncey twins support Hernandez

[SanAntonioSteelerFan]

[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/25/opinion/blow-standing-our-ground.html?hp&_r=0[/url]

Most provocative quote: "Something is wrong here. We are not being made more secure, we are being made more barbaric."

I tend to agree that the results of these laws are making us *less* safe, in terms of deaths and injuries. I do NOT feel safer knowing that the guy with anger management issues at the gas station who thinks I cut him off has a legally concealed firearm on his person. Should I?

[Chadman]

[URL]http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/25/opinion/blow-standing-our-ground.html?hp&_r=0[/URL]

Most provocative quote: "Something is wrong here. We are not being made more secure, we are being made more barbaric."

I tend to agree that the results of these laws are making us *less* safe, in terms of deaths and injuries. I do NOT feel safer knowing that the guy with anger management issues at the gas station who thinks I cut him off has a legally concealed firearm on his person. Should I?

And that would be one of the most important questions that need to be asked- does owning guns actually make anyone safer?

[fordfixer]

And that would be one of the most important questions that need to be asked- does owning guns actually make anyone safer?

It makes me feel safer

[Vader]

This is so ridiculous. A bunch of foreigners debating on U.S. law and how much of our rights we should have. Then more people that obviously have no idea what the stats are on anything. The FACT is that the collector with 500 guns haven't killed ANYONE!!! Name me ONE guy that has shot up a school that was an avid collector. Almost ALL the gun crimes are black on black thugs with stolen pistols NOT guys like me who have many guns.

But obviously many of you guys are content to take away millions of people's rights for nothing.

BTW how many of you have been shot at by a guy that had road rage? Anyone? How many of you have had the collector pull a gun on you? But let's throw away the founding documents because "YOU" are worried about something that has NEVER happened to you. Your "feelings" shouldn't be public policy. Damn people are getting ****ing stupid.

[SanAntonioSteelerFan]

This is so ridiculous. A bunch of foreigners debating on U.S. law and how much of our rights we should have. Then more people that obviously have no idea what the stats are on anything. The FACT is that the collector with 500 guns haven't killed ANYONE!!! Name me ONE guy that has shot up a school that was an avid collector. Almost ALL the gun crimes are black on black thugs with stolen pistols NOT guys like me who have many guns.

But obviously many of you guys are content to take away millions of people's rights for nothing.

BTW how many of you have been shot at by a guy that had road rage? Anyone? How many of you have had the collector pull a gun on you? But let's throw away the founding documents because "YOU" are worried about something that has NEVER happened to you. Your "feelings" shouldn't be public policy. Damn people are getting ****ing stupid.

Well, after reading your post, I do agree with your last statement

The fact of the matter is that one person's rights stop where another's begins. Someone's right to not get shot by some idiot who no one in their right mind would think should be carrying a gun, but is ... that right is just as valid as any other - right?

And I haven't been shot by such an idiot, nor has my family. And neither was the mom I read about in today's newspaper, but her four year old girl taking a nap yesterday afternoon was, in the head, and now dead. She was black ... I'm not ... after reading your post I have to ask, does that mean I shouldn't care?

PS I is not a foreigner.

[Vader]

Well, after reading your post, I do agree with your last statement

The fact of the matter is that one person's rights stop where another's begins. Someone's right to not get shot by some idiot who no one in their right mind would think should be carrying a gun, but is ... that right is just as valid as any other - right?

And I haven't been shot by such an idiot, nor has my family. And neither was the mom I read about in today's newspaper, but her four year old girl taking a nap yesterday afternoon was, in the head, and now dead. She was black ... I'm not ... after reading your post I have to ask, does that mean I shouldn't care?

PS I is not a foreigner.

My right to own a gun is in the bill of "rights". IF I kill someone then my right stops and I go to jail. It really isn't that hard to understand. I have a right not to get hit by a car or get stabbed. But that doesn't mean that you don't have a right to own a car or own a knife.

There are thousands more people killed by drunk driving. Why not allow the cops just to stop random people without due process and give sobriety tests? Why not let them search without warrants since drugs kill thousands more people than guns?

Gun laws are just to tug on heart strings but they do nothing to actually solve the problem. You can tell this because nobody answered my question about the sinister gun collector who kills people. It sounds terrible for some one to own a lot of guns but the FACTS are that those aren't the people killing anyone. But people want to take away the law abiding citizens right to protect himself while never even touching the real problem.

[Chadman]

My right to own a gun is in the bill of "rights". IF I kill someone then my right stops and I go to jail. It really isn't that hard to understand. I have a right not to get hit by a car or get stabbed. But that doesn't mean that you don't have a right to own a car or own a knife.

There are thousands more people killed by drunk driving. Why not allow the cops just to stop random people without due process and give sobriety tests? Why not let them search without warrants since drugs kill thousands more people than guns?

Gun laws are just to tug on heart strings but they do nothing to actually solve the problem. You can tell this because nobody answered my question about the sinister gun collector who kills people. It sounds terrible for some one to own a lot of guns but the FACTS are that those aren't the people killing anyone. But people want to take away the law abiding citizens right to protect himself while never even touching the real problem.

The difference we can focus on between gun law amendments and drink driving/ drug laws is that both drink driving and drug laws do get amended, while all proposed modifications to gun laws get shot down by people claiming their rights are being infringed.

if the argument is that gun control laws will not remove all guns from the street and are therefore useless amendments, then unless you can get a drug law that 100% removes drugs from the street, there's no point to drug laws either.

[flippy]

The difference we can focus on between gun law amendments and drink driving/ drug laws is that both drink driving and drug laws do get amended, while all proposed modifications to gun laws get shot down by people claiming their rights are being infringed.

if the argument is that gun control laws will not remove all guns from the street and are therefore useless amendments, then unless you can get a drug law that 100% removes drugs from the street, there's no point to drug laws either.

If we legalized all drugs, we may not need guns.

[DukieBoy]

Was this posted previously? Probably, but it is interesting.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pOiOhxujsE[/URL]

That, and others segments that followed are of interest related to where this thread have gone.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYbY45rHj8w[/URL]
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVuspKSjfgA[/URL]

The difference we can focus on between gun law amendments and drink driving/ drug laws is that both drink driving and drug laws do get amended, while all proposed modifications to gun laws get shot down by people claiming their rights are being infringed.

if the argument is that gun control laws will not remove all guns from the street and are therefore useless amendments, then unless you can get a drug law that 100% removes drugs from the street, there's no point to drug laws either.

[steelsnis]

This is so ridiculous. A bunch of foreigners debating on U.S. law and how much of our rights we should have. Then more people that obviously have no idea what the stats are on anything. The FACT is that the collector with 500 guns haven't killed ANYONE!!! Name me ONE guy that has shot up a school that was an avid collector. Almost ALL the gun crimes are black on black thugs with stolen pistols NOT guys like me who have many guns.

But obviously many of you guys are content to take away millions of people's rights for nothing.

BTW how many of you have been shot at by a guy that had road rage? Anyone? How many of you have had the collector pull a gun on you? But let's throw away the founding documents because "YOU" are worried about something that has NEVER happened to you. Your "feelings" shouldn't be public policy. Damn people are getting ****ing stupid.

Hmmm...The school shooting in Newtown, CT ring a bell? Adam Lanza took the guns from his mother, an avid gun collector.

And has there ever been a more blatantly racist statement than saying "Almost ALL the gun crimes are black on black thugs with stolen pistols NOT guys like me who have many guns."
Maybe it's time for the Mods to lock this up...