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    Chuck Noll: No. 5 all time on ESPN list

    Chuck Noll, who went from the lowest to the greatest heights in coaching, checks in at No. 5 on ESPN's countdown of the greatest coaches in NFL history.

    Noll went 1-13 in his first season with the Pittsburgh Steelers but soon took the franchise to the highest level ever achieved by an NFL team. Taking over a team that had never won a title of any kind, Noll guided the Steelers to four Super Bowl victories in a six-year period. Noll is the only coach to win four Super Bowls.

    "I don't see current coaches dealing with players the way he did," former Steelers defensive back Mel Blount said. "It's a different game now, and I see a lot of coaches getting caught up in the media with the way they deal with players. You see it on the sidelines. Chuck Noll was always consistent. You wouldn't see him give a high five if you made a great play or get in your face if you made a bad play. I guess that would make Chuck Noll a dinosaur now."

    Noll's teams won nine AFC Central Division championships and they had winning records in 15 of his last 20 seasons with the Steelers. Hall of Famers Joe Greene, Jack Ham, Mel Blount, Terry Bradshaw, Lambert, Swann and Stallworth played their entire careers under Noll.

    Click on the video above to see "Mean" Joe Greene, Terry Bradshaw, Mike Tomlin and Jack Lambert discuss why Noll is one of the greatest coaches in NFL history.

    TOP 20 COACHES OF ALL TIME

    No. 20 -- Tony Dungy: Quiet inspiration
    No. 19 -- Mike Shanahan: Make it a double
    No. 18 -- Sid Gillman: Airing it out
    No. 17 -- Marv Levy: Manager of egos
    No. 16 -- Hank Stram: Winner, innovator
    No. 15 -- Bud Grant: Model of consistency
    No. 14 -- Tom Coughlin: Two Super rallies
    No. 13 -- Jimmy Johnson: Filling big shoes
    No. 12 -- John Madden: More than a game
    No. 11 -- Bill Parcells: Turnaround artist
    No. 10 -- Curly Lambeau: Packers founder
    No. 9 -- Joe Gibbs: Dominance in D.C.
    No. 8 -- Tom Landry: Stoic, inventive
    No. 7 -- Bill Belichick: Attention to detail
    No. 6 -- Paul Brown: New ways to win
    No. 5-- Chuck Noll: A Key to a franchise

    http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/pos...e-on-espn-list
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    I'm assuming Don Shula, Vince Lombardi, Paul Brown and Bill Walsh are the top 4. If Walsh beats Noll then this list was a waste of time. Shula and Walsh (if even in the top 5) should be 4 and 5 with Noll 3rd.

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    I'm assuming Don Shula, Vince Lombardi, Paul Brown and Bill Walsh are the top 4. If Walsh beats Noll then this list was a waste of time. Shula and Walsh (if even in the top 5) should be 4 and 5 with Noll 3rd.
    Oh, please.
    Stop with the black and gold glasses.
    Walsh EASY over Noll.

    Noll changed a team, Walsh changed THE LEAGUE.
    Offenses and defenses have been influenced by Walsh like no coach in modern history.
    Our defense was created to counter Walsh's offense.

    And please dont pull the Noll has 4 rings to Walsh's 3

    Walsh LEFT a SB champion. Had he stayed he'd have more rings, certainly the one Seifort got.

    We had ridiculous talent. But little on the way of innovative strategy.
    Noll won 4 Sbs true. Not a one without every single one of the nine HOFers on the team (should be 10 with LC).

    In the middle of our dynasty:
    Franco out....crushed by the Raiders
    LC out....Beaten by a sorry Bronco team

    74 draft started the SB run and we never won a SB when missing even ONE of our HOFers.
    Joe Greene retires a SB champ....Next season we are third place in the division. One guy gone.
    Never to whiff a SB again under Noll

    Walsh's first and last SB team only had a couple of common players.

    His scheme led to continued success after he left.

    And Shula? What did he have in the way of talent.....and he went undefeated.......Beating a Steelers team with FIVE HOFers on the way to the SB win.
    Noll needed NINE to be better than Shula.

    Give Shula our talent and the dude would have had 6 rings
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    I thought they would put BELICHEAT #1 pffft.. good riddance.. Glad he is not higher than NOLL.. NOLL needs to be higher on the list.. Def top 3 if not #1 in my mind..
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    I wouldn't say easy over Noll, but I certainly agree that people lose their objectivity when it comes to their team. Walsh, Noll, Shula, Joe Gibbs... I mean, you could go any which way from probably Parcells on down (and yes... I'll even include Belichick*) and have no argument.

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    George Halas
    Chuck Noll
    Vince Lombardi
    Don Shula
    Bill Walsh
    Tom Landry
    Joe Gibbs
    Curly Lambeau
    Bill Belechik
    Paul Brown
    George Siefert
    John Madden
    Bill Parcells
    Jimmy Johnson
    Mike Shannahan
    Tom Coughlin
    Bill Cowher
    Tony Dungy
    Marv Levy
    Dan Reeves
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    Off my list
    Sid Gillman (Not a top 20 coach)
    Bud Grant (Would make my top 25)
    Hank Stram(See above)

    On my list
    Bill Cowher (Not a Homer pick, actually belongs)
    Dan Reeves (Of the guys who never won the big one, I would put him above Grant)
    George Siefert ( 2 Super Bowl wins with one of the greatest all time teams and didnt make ESPNs list??)

    BTW, I think the top 5 is obvious. 2 through 4 could go in any order, and you could make a case for any of those three guys to be ahead of one of the others. I think Walsh is clear number 5. I just dont see how you make a case for him to be higher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7 UP View Post
    BTW, I think the top 5 is obvious. 2 through 4 could go in any order, and you could make a case for any of those three guys to be ahead of one of the others. I think Walsh is clear number 5. I just dont see how you make a case for him to be higher.
    You can't make a case for Walsh? He was the West Coast Offense to prominence (i.e. changed the game). He earned 3 rings over the course of one decade. As Lemming (above) also pointed out: His predecessor (Seifert) immediately one a ring for himself off that team (i.e. It is conceivable that Walsh earned that ring, giving him four.) I'm not saying he is, but I'm also not unrealistic in saying that he doesn't belong (in the conversation).
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    Woulda, shoulda, coulda means very little. Actual numbers and stats is what Im looking at. Noll actually has 4 rings. 4 Rings in 6 years is unheard of and may very well never be done by one coach again. Shula has 347 wins and a winning percentage of .665. Noll has 209 wins and 4 Super Bowl wins(the only coach with 4). Lombardi has 105 wins but has a ridiculous .740 winning percentage. Walsh has 104 wins and a winning percentage of only .617. I give Walsh his due, and while he may be in the conversation, show me one hardcore fact that puts him ahead of the other three.

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    Woulda, shoulda, coulda means very little. Actual numbers and stats is what Im looking at. Noll actually has 4 rings. 4 Rings in 6 years is unheard of and may very well never be done by one coach again..........I give Walsh his due, and while he may be in the conversation, show me one hardcore fact that puts him ahead of the other three.
    4 rings in 6 years impressive true. But it won't happen again because nobody will have 9 hofers together for a decade.

    But really we are talking 4 rings in 22 years aren't we? Walsh's 3 in 10 looks good now doesn't it?

    The fact that those rings are so close show that talent of one set of players were key to Noll success. That is player over coaching.

    He had 5 hofers in the early 70s and that wasn't enough talent. He had 8 after Greene retired and could not do it.

    He had 17 years of coaching when he didn't have all of 9 of his hof players. Not one ring without all 9.

    Noll was still Steeler coach during Walsh ENTIRE CAREER, who had success?

    If Noll was better maybe he would have one of the rings Walsh had? Instead Nolls inability to win without ridiculous talent during the 80s got him fired.

    Walsh did what he did while using many different players. When your success depends on a certain group of players you gotta say it's more about the talent.

    Walsh's system was so great that it CONTINUED to have success after he retired.
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