Compare Ben's TD, INTs and sack numbers to previous years.
Now, factor in the lack of a running game...
Haley's O put Ben in a position to get those numbers prior to his injury....But, Ben had to execute...
I ask you this Flippy, why was Ben BETTER in third down than in recent years?
He was far LESS schoolyard than in recent years.
Ben's 3rd down efficiency WENT UP because he made quicker reads and threw shorter high percentage pases that moved the chains.
That is why Millers catches were WAY UP. Rather than waiting for deeper lower percentage routes all the time, Ben settled for quicker easy completions.
Hence the great 3rd down efficiency
It also seemed that we were in third and short much more often than third and long. Dink or dunk it on 1st and 2nd down and get a manageable 3rd down and all of a sudden you're punting much less frequently.
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Re: Heath - I think he just got the majority of the targets Hines would have gotten if he were here. I always thought of Hines as a WR that played the game more like a TE. I've always thought Heath Miller was the best overall TE in the game and wondered if he weren't on the same field as Hines if he could have had a chance at a HOF career.
Steelers running game was horrible apart from those 3-4 games period. I have my doubts if Haley threw more on 1st down. If that was the case how were Steelers in 3rd and short??
I maybe wrong since i don't have the stats but i don't believe 3rd and short was the reason for Ben's success on 3rd down.
This was in a Philly paper before Steelers vs Eagles game:
The Money Down: That’s what they call third down. Despite playing behind shaky protection, Ben Roethlisberger has been money on third down in the Steelers’ first three games. He’s first in the league in third-down passing with a 145.1 rating. He’s completed 75 percent of his passes and has averaged 9.83 yards per attempt on third down
Now 9.83 YPA can't be 3rd and short situation. It holds true for first 3 games.
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Rd 1: Mad Maxx Williams - TE
Rd 2: Owa Odighizuwa - OLB
Rd 3: Steven Nelson - CB
Rd 4: Jaquiski Tartt - S
Rd 5: Henry Anderson - DE
Rd 6: Lorenzo Doss - CB
Rd 7: James Vaughters -OLB
But, the stats break down like this:
449 pass attempts in 2012
162 of those were on 1st down
124 of those were on 3rd down...50 on 3rd and <6, 74 on 3rd and 6+...
2011: 140 attempts on 3rd down...55 on 3rd and <6, 85 on 3rd and 6+...
2010: 107 attempts on 3rd down...36 on 3rd and <6, 71 on 3rd and 6+...
2009: 132 attempts on 3rd down...52 on 3rd and <6, 80 on 3rd and 6+...
I can't tell anything significant...but, as for his other numbers on 3rd down, he was especially good in 2012 and 2010, not so good in 2009 comparatively...
The playcalling THAT year (1st year of Arians) I REALLY liked. Frankly the best playcalling of Ben's career in my opinion.
Ben was a 3rd down beast that year too.
Arains and Ben went away from Heath one we got more speed at receiver.
Let me give you an example of an early season game by Ben. Our highest scoring game only game above 30.
Here is every third down pass versus the Raiders:
Ben Roethlisberger pass complete short middle to Jerricho Cotchery for 9 yards (tackle by Joselio Hanson and Patrick Lee)
Ben Roethlisberger pass complete short right to Heath Miller for 4 yards, touchdown
Ben Roethlisberger pass complete short middle to Mike Wallace for 16 yards (tackle by Matt Giordano)
Ben Roethlisberger pass complete short right to Emmanuel Sanders for 7 yards (tackle by Tyvon Branch)
Ben Roethlisberger pass complete short left to Chris Rainey for 14 yards (tackle by Lamarr Houston)
Penalty on Ben Roethlisberger: Delay of Game, 5 yards (no play)
Ben Roethlisberger pass incomplete deep middle intended for Heath Miller (defended by Philip Wheeler)
Ben Roethlisberger spiked the ball (Halftime)
Ben Roethlisberger pass complete middle to Mike Wallace for 22 yards (tackle by Tyvon Branch)
Ben Roethlisberger pass complete middle to Mike Wallace for 22 yards, touchdown
Ben Roethlisberger pass complete short right to Heath Miller for 9 yards (tackle by Michael Mitchell)
Ben Roethlisberger pass incomplete deep middle intended for Mike Wallace
In summery- Ben completed his first 5 3rd down passes all under short passes.
All of these converted to 1st downs except for one that was a third and 25 due to penalties on the drive.
Bens 1st 3rd down incompletion was pass number 6 his first deep pass.
THAT WAS HIS ONLY THIRD DOWN INCOMPLETION IN THE ENTIRE 1st half.
Ben's longest third down completion was 22 yards for the game.
Bens second 3rd down incompletion of the game was a deep pass to Wallace.
It was his last pass of the day. Consider Ben hit 100 percent of his short and medium 3rd down passes (he was FLAWLESS), but went deep with his last pass, incomplete, Raiders get the ball back and win the game on a late field goal.
Ben was 100 percent on short and medium 3rd down passes. His ONLY 3rd down incompletions IN THE ENTIRE GAME were 2 deep balls. Not a single sack.
Bens 3rd down efficiency was without question due to the emphasis on shorter passes.
Last edited by Captain Lemming; 06-07-2013 at 11:30 AM.