Ben's style under Arians led to some big hits and a banged up Ben but we were usually in contention even though the offense was a roller coaster all year and had stretches of ugliness. Ben would miss a few games but we would be in Super Bowl run mode come playoffs.
With Haley we had a healthy Ben and struggled vs some bad teams. Ben had good numbers but the O was pathetic and had long drives that yielded 3 or nothing at all. We were efficient but it was still 3rd and hope Ben converts instead of killing teams with our awesome dink and dunk.
IMO Haley's O had potential but we capped our big plays due to the dinks.. and the only reason we went deep so much was due to Ben being Ben...
If you want to see the player who lost out the most in this offense it was Wallace, but without him around when he was evaluating personnel, how can you expect otherwise? Even if Haley was another Arians, how could he have made Wallace a centerpiece if he missed the entire pre-season with no indication if he would show up in time to start?
[QUOTE=feltdizz;563434]I get what you are saying but most won't understand it...
"With Haley we had a healthy Ben and struggled vs some bad teams. Ben had good numbers but the O was pathetic and had long drives that yielded 3 or nothing at all. We were efficient but it was still 3rd and hope Ben converts instead of killing teams with our awesome dink and dunk. "
It seems to me that for years people were bitching about Arians offense not finding the end zone too. So maybe it is not the coordinators as much as the personal that performing the plays.
Last edited by raycafan; 05-16-2013 at 06:03 PM.
As much as I complaing about the lack of offensive scoring, the offense was not why we lost the Raiders game...
Nor was the offense why we lost the Titans game...
In the second half of the season, when the defense played better, the offense failed...
The Browns loss, for example, was totally the offense's fault...
During BA's career, we averaged 22.6 pts per game. Haley's offense which was intended to fix BA's short comings put up 21 pts per game.
Ben averaged 14.6 games during BA's tenure vs 13 for Haley's one season. And BA's tenure included his suspension. Take out the suspension and Ben missed 3 games over BA's 5 year tenure. That's how many games he missed last year and Haley was brought in to protect him.
Haley's here, so I support him. But he has yet to do what he's promised to do. We didn't like BA cause he could run. The OLine couldn't block. The RedZone efficiency sucked. And yet, under Haley, the running game got worse. The scoring got worse. Ben's health was worse. Ben was statistically having a better year, but the team didn't improve offensively like the Steelers wanted.
And avoiding the deep ball didn't protect Ben in the end. It just took away chances to score more. To open up things underneath. To help take a DB out of the box and help the running game.
I think you can make a pretty good case that BA got the most out of the players he had. Haley still has yet to do this. Hopefully he does. But we just haven't seen it yet.
I just don't think you can compare BA's 5 years vs Haleys one. Plus the biggest effect of Big Ben being BA's best bud. If there was a fractured locker room last year, I'm sure BB's displeasure with the OC change had something to do with it. Wallace's situation may have exasperated it. All of a sudden a new OC is supposed to come in and change the offense with drastic effects. I don't think so. These things take time, bringing in coaches with the same mindset, philosophy, and players with that desired skill set. It's really no surprise the offense did not improve drastically last year, the franchise QB with his "rosetta stone" comments and whatever self imposed prejudicies he harbored. I was really impressed with his new founded leadership he has shown this off season. Big Ben for all his physical prowess, needs to step it up in the mental game this year to become one of the all time greats
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