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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Pittsburgh View Post
    I wouldn't care if we traded UP and grabbed Warmack or Lane Johnson to solidify the OL. I have ZERO faith in Gilbert. Lane Johnson would start day one at LT.
    I don't agree with your sentiment that our defense sucked all year until Harrison emerged the final month. We played well the final month, but played well most the season other than the two games early.
    And who was out for those "two games early"? Harrison.
    I am not talking about the last month only. I am talking about the entire season minus the first month when JH was out.

    Harrison missed three games and we got torched in 2 of those games. Two out of three giving up 30 plus. Happened ONCE more the rest of the season.

    The difference in our defense began before he began getting sacks, which is all people see.
    Harrison is the best 3/4 OLBer against the run in the AFC BY FAR.

    Our defense made the stinkin RAIDERS look like worldbeaters w/o Harrison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Pittsburgh View Post
    The defense last year had 2 games where they gave up more points than the league average defense. The offense scored less points than the league average offense 8 times. We lost Wallace, Starks, Mendenhall, and Heath will be out for at least half if not more of the season. This was based of of the final score and 3 of the games showing the defense did worse are actually just the offense throwing pick 6's or the offense fumbling the game away so even though the offense did better than league average, they cost the team the game in those instances. I know the numbers are jacked due to this fact but this was meant as a quick exercise to show our offense sucks way worse than our defense when compared to league average and the offense has lost more players of importance. Plus, the offense has a potential HOF QB who needs surrounded by talent to end his career.

    L 31-19 defense worseoffense worse
    W 27-10 defense better – offense better
    L 34-31 defense worse – offense better
    BYE WEEK
    W 16-14 defense better – offense worse
    L 26-23 defense worseoffense worse
    W 24-17 defense better – offense better
    W 27-12 defense better – offense better
    W 24-20 defense better – offense better
    W 16-13 OT defense better – offense worse
    L 13-10 defense better – offense worse
    L 20-14 defense better – offense worse
    W 23-20 defense better – offense worse
    L 34-24 defense worse – offense better
    L 27-24 OT defense worse – offense better
    L 13-10 defense better – offense worse
    W 24-10 defense better – offense better

    League average offensive points per game = 23.35
    League average defensive points give up per game = 22.1
    And as you demostrate we struggled offensively DESPITE having "Wallace, Starks, Mendenhall, and Heath".

    I will say it again, how much difference has the skill players meant in the history of Ben?
    Only top 10 scoring team in the Tomlin era featured, a 3rd round receiver, a free agent rb, and a good not great 1 round receiver.

    Recent teams have featured MUCH MORE elite talent. People here making the case that we had the best receiving talent I THE LEAGUE. "Fastest receiver in the league", stuff of highlight, big bombs. The young money crew...ooh. Too much talent to start Sanders? So deep that Jeremiah Cotchery who averaged like 70 catches as a Jet cant get on the field as a Steeler. Are you kidding me?

    What did it matter? Average offensive production, worse than we did with (Slow) Hines, (better QB than receiver) ARE, and free agent Willie Parker at RB. That 2005 Cowher team ranked 9th in scoring and won a SB.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Lemming View Post
    And who was out for those "two games early"? Harrison.
    I am not talking about the last month only. I am talking about the entire season minus the first month when JH was out.

    Harrison missed three games and we got torched in 2 of those games. Two out of three giving up 30 plus. Happened ONCE more the rest of the season.

    The difference in our defense began before he began getting sacks, which is all people see.
    Harrison is the best 3/4 OLBer against the run in the AFC BY FAR.

    Our defense made the stinkin RAIDERS look like worldbeaters w/o Harrison.
    I think the defensive improvement coincided more with the return to health of Casey Hampton. Early on in the season, Casey was getting pushed around. Then his whole game changed and so did our D.

    I don't remember the exact game, but there was a game that was a turning point where Casey started moving the pocket again and everything started to fall into place that week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rara View Post
    I want Sims out of Michigan State in the fourth or fifth round.
    What about Nick Kasa out of Colorado. Switched from DE to TE. Talk about upside. The guy is an athletic beast. 270 lbs. 6'6"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Lemming View Post
    And as you demostrate we struggled offensively DESPITE having "Wallace, Starks, Mendenhall, and Heath".

    I will say it again, how much difference has the skill players meant in the history of Ben?
    Only top 10 scoring team in the Tomlin era featured, a 3rd round receiver, a free agent rb, and a good not great 1 round receiver.

    Recent teams have featured MUCH MORE elite talent. People here making the case that we had the best receiving talent I THE LEAGUE. "Fastest receiver in the league", stuff of highlight, big bombs. The young money crew...ooh. Too much talent to start Sanders? So deep that Jeremiah Cotchery who averaged like 70 catches as a Jet cant get on the field as a Steeler. Are you kidding me?

    What did it matter? Average offensive production, worse than we did with (Slow) Hines, (better QB than receiver) ARE, and free agent Willie Parker at RB. That 2005 Cowher team ranked 9th in scoring and won a SB.
    The skill players certainly DO matter, but they need an OL to perform.
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    Bires: Steelers' pick is anyone's guess

    Posted: Monday, April 22, 2013
    By Mike Bires

    PITTSBURGH -- Itís been a long time since the Steelers went into the NFL Draft with so much uncertainty. With so many holes to fill, itís hard to pinpoint who theyíll select with their first-round pick.

    We know for sure it wonít be a quarterback. Ben Roethlisberger may be 31, but heís still the face of the franchise.

    It wonít be an offensive or defensive lineman. There have been enough of them taken in the first round the last four years (Ziggy Hood, 2009; Maurkice Pouncey, 2010; Cameron Heyward, 2011; David DeCastro, 2012).

    And itís not going to be a running back, even though the Steelers need one.
    Other than those positions, itís wide open.

    With the 17th choice, a case can be made for a wide receiver, inside and outside linebacker, safety, cornerback and tight end.

    In a draft not exactly loaded with canít-miss prospects, itís anybodyís guess who the Steelers will take. Thereís no consensus pick among the mock drafts.

    With eight picks in this weekís draft, the Steelers have already identified who they believe are the top 150 players. Of that group, general manager Kevin Colbert believes there are six to eight ďwho we think are special.Ē

    Unless there are major surprises when the first 16 picks are made Thursday night, the Steelers will select one of the special players on Colbertís list.

    Colbert, whoís never had a true first-round bust in his first 12 years with the Steelers, believes thereís plenty of potential in Rounds 2 through 4. But itís always the first-round pick that creates the most excitement and fanfare. Thatís why the NFL reserves Day 1 of the three-day draft for only the first round.

    Last year, it was quarterbacks who dominated Round 1. Four of the first 22 picks were QBs (Andrew Luck, No. 1; Robert Griffin III, No. 2; Ryan Tannehill, No. 8; and Brandon Weeden, No. 22). This year, the only quarterback projected as a first-rounder is West Virginiaís Geno Smith.

    Thatís OK with the Steelers, who are set with Roethlisberger and Bruce Gradkowski as his backup.

    But with speedster Mike Wallace gone via free agency, the Steelers desperately need help at wide receiver.

    The Steelers always have an eye out for pass-rushing outside linebackers, and with James Harrison now on the Bengalsí roster, thatís a position that needs an upgrade.

    Likewise at inside linebacker, with Larry Foote another year older and Sean Spence, a third-round choice last year, trying to bounce back from a knee injury that wiped out his rookie season.

    Ryan Clark turns 34 in October and 32-year-old Troy Polamalu only played seven games last year due to injuries, so thereís a need for safety help especially after backups Will Allen and Ryan Mundy werenít re-signed.

    With Heath Miller still mending from major knee surgery, itís uncertain when heíll be able to play again. So, tight end is certainly a first-round option.

    ďThere will be a good player at 17, thereís no question about that,Ē Colbert said.

    PLAYERS STEELERS MIGHT DRAFT

    Cordarrelle Patterson, WR, Tennessee
    Jarvis Jones, OLB, Georgia
    Kenny Vaccaro, S, Texas
    Alexander Ogletree, ILB, Georgia
    Tyler Eifert, TE, Notre Dame
    Desmond Trufant, CB, Washington
    Xavier Rhodes, CB, Florida State

    http://www.timesonline.com/sports/st...8bcdc4734.html

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