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    Quote Originally Posted by Slapstick View Post
    It is pointless to say that a draft prospect in this class isn't worth the 17th pick because of the players in another draft class. Pointless.

    I'm sure you get that...
    It isn't a pointless topic but if you want to keep that as your opinion you are allowed to. It is pointless to you because you don't agree with it. So to continue to argue about our difference of opinions is pointless.

    If you think that the people that matter don't consider past drafts when putting a board together you must not listen & read alot regarding the draft. It is an easy tool for comparison and brought up in discussions. Your belief on lack of relevance when someone considers taking someone in the first who is less of a prospeect than a player taken in the second round of a year before means nothing to its merit. This isn't "my opinion". I'm sure you get that...
    1st (T-D) Kelvin Benjamin WR
    2nd Bradley Roby CB
    3a Kareem Martin DE
    3b C.J. Fiedorowicz TE
    4th Christian Jones LB
    5a Dri Archer RB
    5b Kevin Pierre-Louis LB
    6a Beau Allen NT
    6b Shaquille Richardson CB
    7th John Brown WR

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    BTW--McShay's latest Mock has Eifert going in the Top 10. #6 to Cleveland

    http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft...k-draft-update

    But heck what does he possibly know.
    Playing Fantasy Football does not qualify you to be the in the front office or on the coaching staff of the Pittsburgh Steelers. They are professionals and you are not!

    2014 Draft

    1. Eric Ebron, TE
    2. Calvin Pryor, S
    3 (Comp). Jaylen Watkins, CB
    4. Justin Ellis, DT/NT
    5a. Brandon Coleman, WR
    5b. Brent Urban, DE
    6. Prince Shembo, OLB
    7a. Aaron Colvin, CB
    7b. Storm Johnson, RB

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oviedo View Post
    BTW--McShay's latest Mock has Eifert going in the Top 10. #6 to Cleveland

    http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft...k-draft-update

    But heck what does he possibly know.
    He had Mike Adams as a first round pick last year, yet you've written off the Steelers OTs. McShay is a talking head, not a profesional scout.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oviedo View Post
    I never understood that thinking either. You can only draft who is in this class and Eifert is definitely Top 20.
    Of course that is true...He is a 1st round propspect in this draft because of lack there of. If Eifert is the 17th best player in this draft the pick makes sense. If Colby Fleener is in this draft he goes off the board before Eifert. Fleener was a better prospect & he went #34. More talent in that draft. So if my guy is gone, I'm looking to trade back for more value. If I miss on Eifert so what. If I can't trade back, take BPA. If it is Eifert, that is the pick.

    There have been several experts that said they wouldn't want to be a GM picking outside the Top 12-15 in the 1st. There is a reason for that. When you are under the assumption the boards are made from prospects 1-256 and they fall by rounds in that order , I can understand some posters logic. The teams tier by position & round. Their evaluation process is more complex than looking at a website and numbering the prospects. I'm not an expert but I have done my research and seen what they do. My board would have Eifert & Ertz tiered as 2nd round TEs as 1 & 2. My board would also only have 19 1st round talents tiered.
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    1st (T-D) Kelvin Benjamin WR
    2nd Bradley Roby CB
    3a Kareem Martin DE
    3b C.J. Fiedorowicz TE
    4th Christian Jones LB
    5a Dri Archer RB
    5b Kevin Pierre-Louis LB
    6a Beau Allen NT
    6b Shaquille Richardson CB
    7th John Brown WR

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    Quote Originally Posted by phillyesq View Post
    He had Mike Adams as a first round pick last year, yet you've written off the Steelers OTs. McShay is a talking head, not a profesional scout.

    Yes, McShay is a "talking head" and as such he has more access to information and "real scouts" than anyone on this board. I think we can both agree that his opinions are probably more informed than anyone who posts here can't we?
    Playing Fantasy Football does not qualify you to be the in the front office or on the coaching staff of the Pittsburgh Steelers. They are professionals and you are not!

    2014 Draft

    1. Eric Ebron, TE
    2. Calvin Pryor, S
    3 (Comp). Jaylen Watkins, CB
    4. Justin Ellis, DT/NT
    5a. Brandon Coleman, WR
    5b. Brent Urban, DE
    6. Prince Shembo, OLB
    7a. Aaron Colvin, CB
    7b. Storm Johnson, RB

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oviedo View Post
    Yes, McShay is a "talking head" and as such he has more access to information and "real scouts" than anyone on this board. I think we can both agree that his opinions are probably more informed than anyone who posts here can't we?
    Your answer to Eifert a Top 10 talent is 3 days away. I guess you agree he is the 6th best player in this draft.
    1st (T-D) Kelvin Benjamin WR
    2nd Bradley Roby CB
    3a Kareem Martin DE
    3b C.J. Fiedorowicz TE
    4th Christian Jones LB
    5a Dri Archer RB
    5b Kevin Pierre-Louis LB
    6a Beau Allen NT
    6b Shaquille Richardson CB
    7th John Brown WR

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oviedo View Post
    Yes, McShay is a "talking head" and as such he has more access to information and "real scouts" than anyone on this board. I think we can both agree that his opinions are probably more informed than anyone who posts here can't we?
    Kiper and McShay are both inaccurate:

    http://harvardsportsanalysis.wordpre...raft-rankings/

    You can cherry pick anybody you want to support or oppose any position. I can say that Pat Kirwan has Eifert going 30th overall, but I wouldn't be telling you that others have him in the 13-17 range.

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/mock-draft

    Eifert is all over the board by the so called experts. Charley Casserly, a former GM, has him at 31. Certainly you would agree that Casserly is more knowledgeable than your typical message board poster.

    http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/mock-d...asserly/171001

    Matt Smith of NFL.com has Eifert at 30 and going after Ertz.

    http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/mock-d...t-smith/171000

    So next time you want to tell us all about what McShay has to say, please spare us the condescending tone.

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