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    Quote Originally Posted by Oviedo View Post
    You obviously understand this is a "pass first" league now and not the NFL of the 1970s. Tight Ends are receivers first and blockers second in terms of the value of the skills. I'll give up some blocking and take an exceptional receiver everyday and twice on game day Sundays.

    Plus he would contribute Year 1 ( and every year after that) which is importnat for a Round 1 draft pick.
    You obviously don't seem to understand that any player in the NFL needs a minimally acceptable level of blocking to get onto the field. Look at how many RBs throughout the league don't get on the field because they can't block. From what I've seen, Eifert's run blocking and pass blocking both look pretty terrible.

    He has very good receiving skills, but if he cannot block anybody, he won't see the field as a starter. He'd really need to convert if you want him to fill in for Heath as a traditional TE, and we all know that you abhor conversions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phillyesq View Post
    You obviously don't seem to understand that any player in the NFL needs a minimally acceptable level of blocking to get onto the field. Look at how many RBs throughout the league don't get on the field because they can't block. From what I've seen, Eifert's run blocking and pass blocking both look pretty terrible.

    He has very good receiving skills, but if he cannot block anybody, he won't see the field as a starter. He'd really need to convert if you want him to fill in for Heath as a traditional TE, and we all know that you abhor conversions.
    I have no doubt that our Off Coord could "convert" him in far less time than it seems to take our Def Coord. He would actually play and have 20 plus catches as a rookie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oviedo View Post
    I have no doubt that our Off Coord could "convert" him in far less time than it seems to take our Def Coord. He would actually play and have 20 plus catches as a rookie.
    And to suggest drafting somebody because they could have 20 catches (1.25 per game) is pure folly. You draft the player who will help you the most for the next decade, not the next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phillyesq View Post
    And to suggest drafting somebody because they could have 20 catches (1.25 per game) is pure folly. You draft the player who will help you the most for the next decade, not the next year.
    Next year is just year #1 of the next decade for a player like Eifert. Eifert has more offensive upside than Heath Miller who admittedly has been underutilized most of his career and now is on the backside of that career. The TE psotion is a weapon.

    Unfortunately, too many have bought into the BS that rookies have to sit and learn. We should expect our high draft picks to be contributors in their first year and reject the notion that they have to sit and watch. That is why we get one maybe two productive years before their next contract is up.
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    Tyler Eifert's improved blocking has draft stock rising.Related StoriesWarmack, Cooper scouting reports
    Posted April 15, 2013 @ 11:02 a.m.
    Catching the football seemed more of Tyler Eifert's forte than blocking during his first three seasons with Notre Dame.

    But the coveted red-zone target made sure he shored up that aspect of his game, thus raising his NFL draft stock to become a potential first-round selection.

    The 6-6, 251-pound Bishop Dwenger High School (Ind.) alum came into college more as a hybrid wide receiver who needed to grow more into his body.

    Notre Dame WR coach and former TE coach Mike Denbrock said the young Eifert was slowed down by nagging injuries.

    A back injury ended his 2009 season after one game, and a left shoulder injury in ‘10 prevented Eifert from gaining the muscle needed to take "his blocking to the next level," Denbrock said, adding productive weightlifting is extremely difficult with those areas hurt.

    In 2012, that all changed when Eifert was 100 percent healthy.

    "It was another year in the system and understanding the offense, having another year putting emphasis on blocking to get better at it," said Eifert, a team captain and Mackey Award winner. "It was trying to get better at the little technique things like where your hands go, what steps to take."

    When asked if he wanted to be a complete tight end like the Steelers' Heath Miller, Eifert quickly stated "that's the goal,” adding that he is proud of the hard work he did to overhaul his blocking technique.

    Eifert's blocking opened up Notre Dame's offense during its BCS National Championship run, as his increased physicality helped pace the running game for NFL RB prospects, Cierre Wood and Theo Riddick.

    What’s more, the Indiana native had to adjust midseason from Tommy Rees to Everett Golson as his quarterback.

    "I didn't really have to change much of what I did," said Eifert, who became Golson's go-to receiver after rebounding from a slow start. "We ran the same plays. The quarterbacks had the same reads and ran the same routes. Sometimes, you have to get used to Everett extending the plays and realizing you could make a big play because he's looking downfield. He always has his eyes down the field."

    The past two seasons, Eifert grabbed 113 catches for 1,488 yards and nine touchdowns. The AP second-team All-American holds the Notre Dame TE record for career completions and receiving yards.

    Denbrock, who also coached Vikings TE Kyle Rudolph, said he hasn't trained anybody with Eifert's unique skill set.

    "He's incredibly competitive as a person," Denbrock said. "It's important for him to do well. He gets a lot of pride in his effort and the way he plays the game. For a guy who's 6-6, 250 pounds, he runs extremely well. He's got great athletic ability as far as being able to get in and out of breaks as a route runner.

    "When the ball is in the air, I haven't been around anyone who is better at going and getting it than he is. He's got this mentality when you throw the ball in his direction, he's going to find a way to catch it."

    Looking up to the likes of Rob Gronkowski and Jimmy Graham, Eifert was able to frequently split wide at receiver his entire senior season. He said it was the coaches' faith in him to give the Fighting Irish a top receiving threat after Michael Floyd left for the NFL.

    "I'm very comfortable (splitting out)," Eifert said. "I played receiver in high school and kind of converted to tight end in college. I'm comfortable out there and making plays."

    • • • • •

    Early in his career, Eifert backed up the former All-American Rudolph, saying he learned "a lot from him" about football being a business and how to handle himself on and off the field. Eifert still keeps in contact with Rudolph, who told him life is very different when you enter the NFL.

    "He told me to enjoy the process," Eifert said. "It's going to be over before you know it."

    Eifert, who played basketball in high school, explained that the hardwood prepares tight ends to use their bodies to get positioning on defensive backs and helps make their footwork more efficient.

    A good showing at the Scouting Combine could propel Eifert to be picked ahead of Stanford's Zach Ertz and San Diego State's Gavin Escobar.

    "(Tyler) is going to play for a number of years in the NFL and be a huge contributor to whoever wants him on their franchise," Denbrock said.

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    I don't want Steelers to draft a TE at 17...if they are trading down i am ok with it...

    I am not sure if Steelers TEs are going to have more than 100 recpetions among them....Better draft a WR in Rd 1 or Rd 2...He will be more helpful than a TE.

    Miller, Paulson and late Rd draft pick will be a good TE group.
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    Rd 1: Mike Evans - WR
    Rd 2: Kyle Van Noy - ILB/OLB
    Rd 3c: Philip Gaines - CB
    Rd 4: Taylor Hart - DE
    Rd 5: Justin Ellis - DT
    Rd 5c:Xavier Grimble -TE

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    Quote Originally Posted by grotonsteel View Post
    I don't want Steelers to draft a TE at 17...if they are trading down i am ok with it...

    I am not sure if Steelers TEs are going to have more than 100 recpetions among them....Better draft a WR in Rd 1 or Rd 2...He will be more helpful than a TE.

    Miller, Paulson and late Rd draft pick will be a good TE group.
    So Eifert at #17 is bad but good at #20? Or does it have to be #25? #30?

    Sorry, but your poisiton makes no sense to me. If he is the player you want then you take him when you can get him. Eifert is the #1 rated player at his position in this draft. He is worth #17.

    Especially if the option is a defensive player who will be on the sidelines for two seasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oviedo View Post
    So Eifert at #17 is bad but good at #20? Or does it have to be #25? #30?

    Sorry, but your poisiton makes no sense to me. If he is the player you want then you take him when you can get him. Eifert is the #1 rated player at his position in this draft. He is worth #17.

    Especially if the option is a defensive player who will be on the sidelines for two seasons.
    I don't get that line of thinking either Ovi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Pittsburgh View Post
    I don't get that line of thinking either Ovi.
    when did he say draft a TE at #20 or #25? The way it read it came across as getting a WR early and getting a TE later in the draft?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oviedo View Post
    Next year is just year #1 of the next decade for a player like Eifert. Eifert has more offensive upside than Heath Miller who admittedly has been underutilized most of his career and now is on the backside of that career. The TE psotion is a weapon.

    Unfortunately, too many have bought into the BS that rookies have to sit and learn. We should expect our high draft picks to be contributors in their first year and reject the notion that they have to sit and watch. That is why we get one maybe two productive years before their next contract is up.
    Yes, becuase that happened with Keenan Lewis, who played himself into the doghouse with his bonehead antics after getting torched in a preseason game. In 5 or 10 years, nobody is going to care what a player did in 2013. To draft with an eye towards year one contributions is absurd. Using your logic, the team would have never drafted Polamalu, Ike Taylor, Joey Porter, Lawrence Timmons, Aaron Smith or any of the other players who were a key part of the team's recent run of success.

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