Neither contributed to his two rings.
Brady had ONE receiver who might ne the most talented of all time.
Brady had ridiculous NUMBERS with Randy Moss in his prime.
But the likes of Troy Brown, not Randy Moss contibuted to his 3 rings.
Good receivers help, but I find no correlation in this decade between "great" individual receiver talent and winning.
The best formula is a stable of very good receivers ala GB winning SB team, than giving megabucks to one extreme talent
1.25 DT Vernon Butler, La Tech, 64 323
2.58 CB Artie Burns, Miami, 511 189
3.89 OLB, Alex McCalister, Florida, 66 240-Jarvis Jones replacement
4.123 S Jayron Kearse, Clemson, 64 216-hybrid type we could use in 3-3-5 defense
6.220 OT Stephane Nembot, 67 322-raw talent with ton of upside
7.229 CB Brian Poole, Florida, 510 210
7.246 WR/KR Ed Eagan, Northwestern State, 5 10 185-need WR depth and returner
Everybody said he is the missing piece there.
But word was out Wallace wanted all the bank he could get and NE doesnt play that game.
Heck they got Moss at a bargain.
Smart teams dont compete with stupid teams for elite receiver talent.
Boldin just got overpaid, as did Wallace, as did Megatron, as did Fitz, so on and so forth. Welker walks and it aint no big deal.
NE signed Brandon Lloyd to a three year deal worth 12 mil last year when people thought they might go after Wallace as a restricted free agent.
Wallace got 11 mil AS A SIGNING BONUS, before his annual salary. He makes as much this year as Lloyd does through the course of his 3 year deal.
Wallace gets 30 mil total in his first two years. And has the dropsies.
The Fins screwed up their cap royally.
That is why the fins are the Fins and the Pats contend annually.
Pro-Wallace people, you cannot view this in a vacuum.
The question is not whether you would like to have Wallace, it is WOULD YOU WANT TO PAY WALLACE.
Last edited by Captain Lemming; 04-08-2013 at 01:43 PM.
Can't speak for everyone, but Chadman wants to just point out that his argument FOR Wallace was always tied in with the argument AGAINST signing Brown.ANYONE who was FOR signing him, would YOU pay that and DESTROY any hope of keeping other talent for years to come?
Given that the 'reports' suggest the Steelers were close to agreeing a deal with Wallace but the numbers were out as far as guarenteed money goes, and the 'reports' suggest the Steelers offer in 2012 was not that much different financially to the one that Antonio Brown signed, Chadman would say that the Steelers signed THE WRONG WR.
Brown is going to cost the Steelers upwards of $6.5m in 2013. In 2014 he's up near $9.5m. There simply is not any evidence, AT ALL, that Brown is worth near that money. More concerning is that he regressed AFTER being paid. Wallace regressed as a result of not being paid. Wallace's body of work is far superior to our new #1 WR, yet we let him walk & keep the guy that has never exceeded him. That doesn't make sense, and compared to paying Wallace a couple of million more, is a bad business decision.
Another point to make on Wallace, as a "Pro-Wallace" guy, Chadman always took exception to hearing that Wallace was 'stupid' or 'dumb' to not accept the offer the Steelers gave him. Wallace & his agent always contested he was worth more. And the open market suggests he was right. It wasn't stupid, or dumb. He knew his worth in the NFL, and got paid like it. Signing for less than you are worth for a team is stupid & dumb, because regardless of how good you are, or how successful you've been- the team does not always show the same kind of loyalty. Ask James Harrison.
In the end, the Steelers could have paid Wallace in 2012, not even at the expense of Brown (who would be on a RFA tender this season- same cost as Sanders), and the WR corp would not require any addition through the upcoming draft.
Brown smiles a lot & seems a nice guy. He's also the same guy that went to the media & said there was internal strife at the Steelers, which has been refuted by his GM. Wallace has never publicly complained about his contract treatment or complained about his team mates. The hate toward Wallace on this board is at times comical. Even in his 'bad year' in 2013, he outperformed the board favourite Brown. Chadman is, as yet, to find anyone to say the Steelers need to upgrade from Brown, yet everyone wanted to upgrade from Wallace. The logic was baffling. Still is.
Don't wish Wallace any bad luck- Chadman hopes he has a fine career. But, as some posters would want you to believe, Chadman doesn't hope Wallace succeeds & Brown fails just to justify his position. But at this point, it's safe to say that Chadman has great concerns about the strength of the WR's currently in Pittsburgh.
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Wallace wanted a deal like he got in Miami...he wasn't getting that from the Steelers...end of story...
Also, just because Wallace got the money that he wanted, it does not mean that he (or ANY WR) is actually worth that much money...which is, I believe, Lemming's point...
There were reports Wallace wanted "top 10'" money, and there were reports he was close to signing but the sticking point was the guarenteed money. Believe what you prefer, but had the Steelers & Wallace been able to agree on the guarenteed portion of the contract offer- he would have signed.
As to if he is 'worth' the money he is on- market forces decide that. Is Ben worth $100m? Is Flacco worth more? If Flacco had gone into FA, would he be worth more than what he signed for? Obviously Wallace & his agent had some idea what HE was worth in FA. You can't say he isn't worth it, if there were people willing to pay it.
Chadman understands Lemming's point that he doesn't believe WR's are worth that kind of money. That's ok, not going to dispute that. But if we are about to argue that Wallace isn't worthy of the money in his contract, surely we can argue the worth of the guy the Steelers did pay.
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This we do know- The Steelers offerred Wallace "first". They "settled" for Brown.
Wallace signs and Brown would never get paid.
The only reason they locked Brown up early was WALLACE wanted more than the Steelers would dish out to a receiver.
Browns value went from "we'll deal with it when we have to", to we might have NOBODY at the position. THAT IS WHY BROWN GOT PAID.
You assume his demands were "close" to what Brown got? You cite years two (6.5 mil) and three (9.5 mil) of Browns deal. Wallace will make more than that 17.5 mil in ONE SEASON (2014). That is followed by cap hits of 12.05, 13.65, and 13.65
You can say he wanted "just a little more" than Brown got, others say he wanted Fitz money.
What we know is "what he got" and if you want to be mad with the team we can assume that this was at least the number he was looking for. We now have a figure.
Do you want ONE RECEIVER counting SEVENTEEN MILLION against the cap next year? 12 million plus against the cap EVERY YEAR save for ONE YEAR?
The Steelers never picked Brown over Wallace. Wallace wanted more than the Steelers or any smart team would give him and priced himself out of our team.
You argue that, Wallace DID get paid big bucks despite what his haters said. Who cares.
That aint my beef, I'm not surprised at all he got paid. I dont hate him for it.
Wallace aint the stupid one, anybody who pays Wallace that kind of coin is stupid because it will HINDER success dues to the cap hit.
If you want to honestly defend Wallace as a Steeler, say loud and clear "yes I would have signed him to THAT deal." Dont play with imaginary scenarios that have have no basis in reality.
If not, you have no case whatsoever to be critical.