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    Quote Originally Posted by phillyesq View Post
    I haven't watched his tape, but I know that Wexell was very unimpressed with his tape as well. From what I've read on Moore, I don't want him at 17, and I'm not sure that I'd want him in the second, either.
    did a quick youtube search on him... came away thinking, "no freaking way this is the guy... these are HIGHLIGHTS and it's the best they got? 'Zo Jackson all over again!" Seemed to get a high number of coverage sacks.
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    Based on all the information that I am reading here and how unimpressive this draft is after the top 10-12 picks and the many Steeler needs I'm hoping they can formulate some type of trade back scenario and get an extra pick in the 2ns or 3rd round. No one seems to be impressed with any players other than the ones that are certain to be drafted in the top 10 picks or so.

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    Too much risk taking an OLB "who has to be converted and developed" for LeBeau's defense at #17. None of these guys are sure things so if you have to develop them get them later.

    Go with the sure thing in TE Tyler Eifert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oviedo View Post
    Too much risk taking an OLB "who has to be converted and developed" for LeBeau's defense at #17. None of these guys are sure things so if you have to develop them get them later.

    Go with the sure thing in TE Tyler Eifert.
    Jones is a pre-combine top 5 pick by many... If he's there at 17, you just take him and move on... no converting - he's already a linebacker. No sense in taking a backup TE...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelerOfDeVille View Post
    Jones is a pre-combine top 5 pick by many... If he's there at 17, you just take him and move on... no converting - he's already a linebacker. No sense in taking a backup TE...
    A backup TE wasn't suggested. Eifert was and he would start day one with Heath on the sidelines. I don't think Spaeth would beat him out in camp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelerOfDeVille View Post
    Jones is a pre-combine top 5 pick by many... If he's there at 17, you just take him and move on... no converting - he's already a linebacker.
    I agree.

    what Jarvis Jones does best is rush the passer, something the Steelers defense is predicated upon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelerOfDeVille View Post
    did a quick youtube search on him... came away thinking, "no freaking way this is the guy... these are HIGHLIGHTS and it's the best they got? 'Zo Jackson all over again!" Seemed to get a high number of coverage sacks.
    Ok, Chadman understands what you are saying from the highlights clips on youtube. But there are a few things to consider about the difference between Jones & Moore:

    Jones was on a stacked defense, with several prospects predicted to be top 3 round picks, while there are 0 prospects outside of Moore from Texas A&M. Moore was the lone star player on the Aggies defense, which one would assume means he'd face consistantly tougher blocking on an individual basis than Jones.

    Moore's sacks came mostly against top-tier teams, with sacks against strong O-Lines like Alabama, LSU & Mississippi St.

    The variety of moves Moore uses is far more diverse than most of the other top pass rushers who predominantly use outside speed rushing. Only Mingo is close, statistically, to Moore for QB sacks from moves going inside the Tackles.

    Moore is 20 years old. 20. The Steelers value these young players highly.

    Check out this article- interesting reading:

    http://secondroundstats.com/2013/02/...s-rushers-pt1/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sugar View Post
    A backup TE wasn't suggested. Eifert was and he would start day one with Heath on the sidelines. I don't think Spaeth would beat him out in camp.
    so, heath is the most subpar of the 22 starters?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chadman View Post
    Ok, Chadman understands what you are saying from the highlights clips on youtube. But there are a few things to consider about the difference between Jones & Moore:

    Jones was on a stacked defense, with several prospects predicted to be top 3 round picks, while there are 0 prospects outside of Moore from Texas A&M. Moore was the lone star player on the Aggies defense, which one would assume means he'd face consistantly tougher blocking on an individual basis than Jones.

    Moore's sacks came mostly against top-tier teams, with sacks against strong O-Lines like Alabama, LSU & Mississippi St.

    The variety of moves Moore uses is far more diverse than most of the other top pass rushers who predominantly use outside speed rushing. Only Mingo is close, statistically, to Moore for QB sacks from moves going inside the Tackles.

    Moore is 20 years old. 20. The Steelers value these young players highly.

    Check out this article- interesting reading:

    http://secondroundstats.com/2013/02/...s-rushers-pt1/
    Nice article, interesting breakdown... By those stats, Okafor sounds like the best of the best... what's more fascinating, is i'm pretty sure he was also a 4.9 guy...
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    Round 2, Pick 27 (58 ): Sean Davis, S; Maryland
    Round 3, Pick 26 (89): Javon Hargrave, DT; South Carolina State
    Round 4, Pick 25 (123): Jerald Hawkins, OT; LSU
    Round 6, Pick 45 (220) (Compensatory Selection): Travis Feeney, OLB; Washington
    Round 7, Pick 8 (229) (From Giants): DeMarcus Ayers, WR; Houston
    Round 7, Pick 25 (246): Tyler Matakevich, OLB; Temple

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelerOfDeVille View Post
    so, heath is the most subpar of the 22 starters?
    He is when he's in the training room rehabbing a gimpy leg. Unless he's not as good as advertised or Spaeth has dramatically improved, Eifert starts game #1.

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