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    Go back and look at the drafts before Tomlin...the success rate isn't much different.

    you have 22 starters on each team, spread out over a career length of maybe 10 years or so. That's about 2 starters per draft (including UDFA), plus some free agents.

    I don't think the team has really been that far off the mark lately drafting, outside of probably 2008.

    Tomlin's starters/rotational backups (ignoring ST players):

    2007: Timmons, Woodley, Gay
    2008: Mendenhall, Mundy
    2009: Hood, Wallace, Lewis, Johnson
    2010: Pouncey, Worilds, Sanders, Dwyer, Brown
    2011: Heyward, Gilbert, Allen
    2012: Decastro, Adams, Beachum


    Cowher's since 2000:

    2000: Burress, M. Smith, Haggans
    2001: Hampton, Bell,
    2002: Simmons, Randle El, Hope, Foote, Haynes, Keisel
    2003: Polamalu, Taylor
    2004: Roethlisberger, Starks
    2005: Miller, McFadden, Essex, Kemoeatu
    2006: Holmes, Colon

    Draft success to find starters hasn't really changed. A salary cap that went stagnant, combined with recent Super Bowl teams and the allure that comes with hanging on to players who have performed their jobs to the highest level, has left this team in a bad salary cap spot. This has led to players leaving for big dollars elsewhere. Having a franchise QB also plays into that, as they command a much larger chunk of your cap than average QBs do.

    Look, one season going 8-8 doesn't mean these current players are garbage, as hard as that seems to be for some people to realize right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D Rock View Post
    Go back and look at the drafts before Tomlin...the success rate isn't much different.

    you have 22 starters on each team, spread out over a career length of maybe 10 years or so. That's about 2 starters per draft (including UDFA), plus some free agents.

    I don't think the team has really been that far off the mark lately drafting, outside of probably 2008.

    Tomlin's starters/rotational backups (ignoring ST players):

    2007: Timmons, Woodley, Gay
    2008: Mendenhall, Mundy
    2009: Hood, Wallace, Lewis, Johnson
    2010: Pouncey, Worilds, Sanders, Dwyer, Brown
    2011: Heyward, Gilbert, Allen
    2012: Decastro, Adams, Beachum


    Cowher's since 2000:

    2000: Burress, M. Smith, Haggans
    2001: Hampton, Bell,
    2002: Simmons, Randle El, Hope, Foote, Haynes, Keisel
    2003: Polamalu, Taylor
    2004: Roethlisberger, Starks
    2005: Miller, McFadden, Essex, Kemoeatu
    2006: Holmes, Colon

    Draft success to find starters hasn't really changed. A salary cap that went stagnant, combined with recent Super Bowl teams and the allure that comes with hanging on to players who have performed their jobs to the highest level, has left this team in a bad salary cap spot. This has led to players leaving for big dollars elsewhere. Having a franchise QB also plays into that, as they command a much larger chunk of your cap than average QBs do.

    Look, one season going 8-8 doesn't mean these current players are garbage, as hard as that seems to be for some people to realize right now.
    Well said, D Rock!

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    relax guys. we have tomlin.
    he lead us to 2 superbowls, winning one.
    he went 12-4 a couple times.
    he won the afc north once or twice

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    Quote Originally Posted by squidkid View Post
    relax guys. we have tomlin.
    he lead us to 2 superbowls, winning one.
    he went 12-4 a couple times.
    he won the afc north once or twice
    you say that in jest, but it doesn't make the recent run of success any less real

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    Quote Originally Posted by D Rock View Post
    you say that in jest, but it doesn't make the recent run of success any less real
    or all the failures

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    Quote Originally Posted by squidkid View Post
    relax guys. we have tomlin.
    he lead us to 2 superbowls, winning one.
    he went 12-4 a couple times.
    he won the afc north once or twice
    Amen!! Coach T is one of the things that makes me more confident in this team. The Steelers FO did the right thing when they signed him instead of Grimm or Whiz. He's a creative guy and I'm fairly confident he'll right the ship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D Rock View Post
    Go back and look at the drafts before Tomlin...the success rate isn't much different.

    you have 22 starters on each team, spread out over a career length of maybe 10 years or so. That's about 2 starters per draft (including UDFA), plus some free agents.

    I don't think the team has really been that far off the mark lately drafting, outside of probably 2008.

    Tomlin's starters/rotational backups (ignoring ST players):

    2007: Timmons, Woodley, Gay
    2008: Mendenhall, Mundy
    2009: Hood, Wallace, Lewis, Johnson
    2010: Pouncey, Worilds, Sanders, Dwyer, Brown
    2011: Heyward, Gilbert, Allen
    2012: Decastro, Adams, Beachum


    Cowher's since 2000:

    2000: Burress, M. Smith, Haggans
    2001: Hampton, Bell,
    2002: Simmons, Randle El, Hope, Foote, Haynes, Keisel
    2003: Polamalu, Taylor
    2004: Roethlisberger, Starks
    2005: Miller, McFadden, Essex, Kemoeatu
    2006: Holmes, Colon

    Draft success to find starters hasn't really changed. A salary cap that went stagnant, combined with recent Super Bowl teams and the allure that comes with hanging on to players who have performed their jobs to the highest level, has left this team in a bad salary cap spot. This has led to players leaving for big dollars elsewhere. Having a franchise QB also plays into that, as they command a much larger chunk of your cap than average QBs do.

    Look, one season going 8-8 doesn't mean these current players are garbage, as hard as that seems to be for some people to realize right now.
    Take that, but then add Bettis, Farrior, Hartings, KVO, A. Smith, and then look at things such as games played per season, per starter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steelerkeylargo View Post
    You guys are a bunch of sheep. If the drafting is so "terrible" why are you so upset that they are all getting signed away by other teams?
    Ha, good point never thought of it like that...
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    1. Tavon Austin, WR/RB, WV (trade back)
    2. Matt Elam, S, Flor
    3. Jesse Williams, DT, 'bama
    3. Robert Woods, WR USC (*from NE)
    4. Le'Veon Bell, RB, Mich St (*from trade)
    4. Jaime Collins, OLB, So MIss
    5. Robert Lester, S, 'Bama (*from trade)
    5. Tyrann Mathieu, CB, LSU
    6. Landry Jones, QB, 'Bama
    7. AJ Klein, ILB, Iowa St.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grotonsteel View Post
    If you miss entire draft its going to put a team back for 2-3 years...Steelers FO just lost their mojo....

    2008 is a miss...2009 was a great draft but they just let those young talented players go..2009 is laso now almost miss...MW wanted more money hence was let go but what about cutting Ubrik and not re-signing K-Lew??? Who are making these stupid desicions???How can FO think Willie Gay is better than K-Lew???

    After poor drafting Steelers not only have poor depth but they don't have a starter at WR and RB position.
    I am under no illusion that every front office misses on players, on complete drafts, has tough personnel decisions sometimes, and even has rough seasons...sometimes more then one in a row. But I am also not going to sit there with my eyes closed and fingers in my ears going bla-la-la-la-la-la-la.....acting like all is fine.

    Hopefully we have a killer draft. Would of loved to land Vic Butler and a RB.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zachintosh66 View Post
    Ha, good point never thought of it like that...
    You shouldn't. The only one of those signed away that hurts is Lewis. People are complaining about the drafting because we have no capable safeties behind Troy & Clark. We have no young ILB groomed so had to sign an old Foote rather than pay first contract money to a young guy. WE have no decent TE options so brought back Spaeth. Have no RB close to a feature back because Our first round pick RB had an injury riddled career and was a douche o they didn't extend him. Then of course dropped first round picks on 3-4 DE's whose primary job is occupy blockers. ETC, ETC....
    Last edited by Mister Pittsburgh; 03-16-2013 at 08:45 PM.
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