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    Apparently, the Ravens are also interested in Elvis Dumervil as well (according to nfl.com). I don't know if they can pay the man...

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    James Harrison Could Still Reunite with the Pittsburgh Steelers

    by Steelblitz

    The Pittsburgh Steelers were forced to cut James Harrison a little over a week ago due to his salary cap number. Harrison was unwilling to take a pay cut from the Steelers that would have cut his salary number down to a little over $4 million and would have saved the Steelers over $3 million against the cap. Had Harrison agreed to the pay cut the Steelers would have been able to keep him around for another season, but instead both parties are left looking for a fix.

    Harrison isnít getting much interest in free agency. There have been some minor rumors, but the biggest suitor for Harrison was considered to be the Baltimore Ravens. However, the Ravens are now looking to sign Elvis Dumervil who was recently cut by the Denver Broncos. Dumervil is younger than Harrison by almost six years. Last season Dumervil was much more productive than Harrison and if a team is looking for an outside linebacker they will likely target the younger and more productive player.

    The other team with the most interest in Harrison was the Cleveland Browns, but they already signed ex-Raven Paul Kruger to a big contract to be their newest pass rusher. Right now the only team with any rumored interest in Harrison is the Philadelphia Eagles who are rebuilding under new head coach Chip Kelly and are turning from their 4-3 defense to a 3-4 defense. The Eagles outside linebackers arenít set at this time and they could look to a player like Harrison to add experience and a leader to their defense.

    There is also a good chance that the Eagles could look at a pass rusher in the draft. One of the top outside linebackers in the draft is Oregonís Dion Jordan. Jordan played for Eagleís coach Chip Kelly at Oregon and he is now considered a top five pick. The Eagles hold the number four pick in the 2013 NFL Draft and they may be more willing to draft a top outside linebacker than sign an aging linebacker like Harrison.

    If the Ravens go out and sign Dumervil than their may not be any suitors left for Harrison. Or at least any that are willing to sign him to a contract to his liking. In that situation Harrison may be forced to sign a minimum contract with playing time and stat incentives. If he is willing to take a contract like that itís possible that the Steelers would be willing to give it to him. They were willing to give him over $4 million for the 2012 season so if he agrees to play for around $1 million there is no reason to think he couldnít be back with the Steelers in 2013.

    Right now the Steelers best replacement for Harrison is Jason Worilds. Worilds filled in nicely as a back-up for LaMarr Woodley on the left side of the defense. However, when filling in for Harrison on the right side of the defense he has struggled so he may not be the best option. I have argued for moving Woodley to the right side so that Worilds can continue to play on the left side where he has played well. Therefore, if they arenít willing to play Worilds on the left side they could look into bringing back Harrison for one more season.

    The biggest issue with starting Worilds on the right side in place of Harrison is not his ability to get to the quarterback. Instead Worilds has struggled to hold the edge in the run game when playing on the right side. Woodley has shown a strong ability to hold the edge in the run game and should be able to play well against the run and pass no matter which side he is playing on; especially if he can stay healthy.

    However, if brought back Harrison could start or also pair with Worilds on the right side for the season as a sort of platoon as Worilds grows into the role. The Steelers will also be looking to draft another outside linebacker in the 2013 NFL Draft. That player will than be groomed with the hope that they can one day start. It will also give the Steelers four young players in hopes that one can take over as a full-time starter in 2014. Those players are Worilds, Chris Carter, Adrian Robinson and whoever the Steelers choose to draft this April.

    There is also the chance that Harrison will sign elsewhere and that the Steelers will go with a draft pick or Worilds as Harrisonís replacement. In that case the Steelers should truly consider switching Woodley to the right side of the defense. It may be the best option they have at this point to replace Harrison with as little loss as possible.

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    I fear harrisons pride may be the biggest factor hindering his return.

    he made a mistake not taking the previous offer.

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    No interest in free agent James Harrison

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    03.18 | James Harrison has spent his free agency period talking about the teams he'd like to play for in 2013. Unfortunately for Harrison, no one is reciprocating the interest in his services, as Sports Illustrated's Peter King labels the linebacker as the "coldest name" on the market right now. King says he can't find anyone admitting to being interested in signing Harrison. The 34-year-old was released by the Steelers due to his steep contract for the coming season. He won't be playing for that same price again, as King notes.

    http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_r...rc&eref=fromSI

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    I wonder if Harrison's history of fines and remarks re: Goodell are hurting him here.

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    I wonder if Harrison's history of fines and remarks re: Goodell are hurting him here.
    Could be. He was still a force against the run last year, and absolutely still has some value as a player. Here is what Peter King said:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern_Blitz View Post
    I wonder if Harrison's history of fines and remarks re: Goodell are hurting him here.
    It's not helping him. Only Steelers fans saw him as a victim of some grand conspiracy. other teams saw him as an arrogant "punk" who drew unnecessary attention to himself and team.
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    Getting Harrison back on an incentive laden contract with his attitude and effort would be a good thing. He'd put every ounce of energy that he has into earning the incentives and bonuses from the Steelers. They'd get one hungry OLB and, hopefully, one still capable of playing at a high level in the NFL. They could get those final two years out of him with incentive laden contracts rather than salary and signing bonuses.

    How do incentives work against the cap?

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    Quote Originally Posted by papillon View Post
    Getting Harrison back on an incentive laden contract with his attitude and effort would be a good thing. He'd put every ounce of energy that he has into earning the incentives and bonuses from the Steelers. They'd get one hungry OLB and, hopefully, one still capable of playing at a high level in the NFL. They could get those final two years out of him with incentive laden contracts rather than salary and signing bonuses.

    How do incentives work against the cap?

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    I wish EVERY NFL contract was required to be highly incentive-based. You should never get into a situation like Haynesworth put the Redskins in for example. Every player should be HIGHLY incented to perform.

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    And regarding incentives. This:
    http://www.askthecommish.com/SalaryCap/faq.aspx


    Says this:
    How does the NFL Salary Cap treat cash incentives?
    Answer: All incentives are included in team salary if they are "likely to be earned" (LTBE). LTBE incentives are performance levels that the player or team has reached in the previous year.

    For example, if a quarterback threw twenty touchdowns last year and his incentive clause for this year is set at fifteen touchdowns, then this incentive is “likely to be earned.” Also, incentives that are in the sole control of the player, like non-guaranteed reporting bonuses and off-season workout and weight bonuses, are considered LTBE.

    An impartial arbitrator will hear disputes between the owners and the players concerning what should be considered LTBE (especially for rookies or veterans who did not play in the prior year). Conversely, if a player did not reach the performance incentive in the previous year, the incentive is deemed "not likely to be earned" (NLTBE) and is not included in team salary.

    To determine whether a clause is LTBE or NLTBE for Salary Cap purposes (i.e., not whether the player actually earned the incentive), it is necessary to look at the performance of the team in the prior season, not the current season.

    For example, assume Player X receives an incentive bonus if he participates in 50% of the team’s offensive plays this season. Assume further that last season the team had 1,000 offensive plays. Therefore, as soon as Player X plays in 500 plays in the current season (or 50% of last year’s 1,000 plays), the incentive will be considered earned for Salary Cap purposes.

    The same incentive is considered "not earned" if the same player in the current year only participated in one of the team’s first 502 offensive plays. In this situation, it would be impossible for the player to achieve the 50% incentive based on last year’s performance of 1,000 plays. It is important to remember that looking to last year’s performance level is only for Salary Cap purposes and will not affect the player's right to receive a bonus for his performance in the current year.


    So cash incentives work almost like signing bonuses, right?

    Answer: The short answer to this question is that incentives are considered signing bonuses; however, for cap purposes they are not handled exactly the same way as "signing" bonuses.

    While we're on the topic, let's talk a bit more about signing bonuses.

    Also included in the “bonus” are guaranteed reporting bonuses and guaranteed workout bonuses. Roster or reporting bonuses earned or paid before preseason training camp are also considered bonuses. Guaranteed salary advances or advances that do not have to be repaid are treated as signing bonuses. Money guaranteed or paid for option years, contract extensions, contract modifications, individually negotiated rights of first refusal, and option buyouts are considered signing bonuses. Reporting bonuses are treated as signing bonuses if the contract is signed after the start of training camp. Roster bonuses are also considered signing bonuses if the contract was signed after the last preseason game. Finally, individually negotiated relocation bonuses are treated as a signing bonus.

    The non-guaranteed amount of any salary advance, off-season workout bonus, off-season roster bonus, or off-season reporting bonus is included in the team’s salary in the year it was earned. These bonuses cannot be prorated. “Guaranteed” refers to those bonuses that are fully guaranteed–regardless of skill, injury or termination of the contract.

    Contracts signed, renegotiated, or extended in the final capped year are governed by a somewhat special set of rules if the signing bonus is to be paid to the player in the final capped season. In this situation, a salary advance that the player is not obligated to repay is considered a signing bonus. Any off-season workout bonus that calls for a player to participate in less than thirty-two days of the team’s program is also considered a signing bonus. Finally, all off-season reporting and roster bonuses are considered signing bonuses.

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