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    Crash is of the popular view that it is a "passing league" so he wants us to throw a ton like Peyton, Brady, Brees, or Rogers.

    I do not buy that.
    If you want a "game manager" behind center. Then Ben Roethlisberger should be allowed to seek a trade to the team of his choice.

    $20 mil cap hits don't play Trent Dilfer Football.

    Funny only Ben and Eli have TWO rings during the time he has been in the league, not the glory boys.
    And Ben was dominant in the 2005 post season. Came back from TWO 10 point deficits in Cincy. Outplayed Manning in Indy, and dominated Denver.

    And in 2008 our great defense blew a 20-7 lead in the 4th quarter of XLIII when they tried to do it your way and run the ball rather than go for the throat from the 48 up 20-7 with the ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelerOfDeVille View Post
    I'd be "ok" with the signing... i woudl hope he stayed healthy
    What would you basing this hope on? He has been injury riddled his entire career, even going back to his days at OSU. I think it indicates a very strong possibility of PED usage, and he isn't going to wake up one day and discover that he no longer gets hurt all the time. And even when he DID play last season, he only had a 2.7 apc production, which is losing football, without a doubt. If Pgh signs him, it is a clear sign their days of being crafting and shrewd are officially over.

    Once considered virtually infallible, this team now appears clueless. It happened virtually over night. We have a QB who plays like he is on his frat's intramural flag football team with a keg on the sidelines, a head coach he didn't make the team adhere to any discipline, WRs who call themselves "young money" who don't bother to bend down for passes or balls laying in the end zone, a DC who has "such a complicated scheme" that no rookies are ever allowed to play (something that you simply can't afford to do in today's NFL), no RBs who could possibly carry the ball 20 times a game for more than a few games at a time, no legit NT (on a D that having quality NT play is a must), a SS who misses more games than he plays, one of the worst O-lines in the league - and all that being said, the only signings they are making are with old or below average players. Way to go. That ought to really fix this mess. <ROLLS EYES>

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    2nd most 4th quarter game winning drives really Crash? You watch every teams every game since 07 and calculated that in your head
    Stating the facts

    Since 2007, Pittsburgh’s defense has allowed 20 game-winning drives in the fourth quarter or overtime, which is tied with Green Bay for the league's second most.

    Twenty is too high for a defense that allows the league's fewest points and yards, but none of that has mattered when it comes to crunch time.

    Since 2007, the Steelers’ defense has faced a total of 125 drives in the fourth quarter and overtime when tied or leading by 1-8 points. They have allowed 22 touchdowns and 25 field goals (231 points). It works out to 1.85 points per drive, which would have ranked 21st in the league in 2011, a below-average defense. Fifteen of the touchdown drives have been at least 70 yards in length, and nine were more than 80 yards.

    Pittsburgh has allowed 20 game-winning drives, 12 game-tying drives, and 10 go-ahead drives which came during games where the offense would regain the lead for a win. They also allowed five field goals when leading by 5-7 points. That means 78 “stops”, though some of those drives were in the final seconds when the opponent had no realistic opportunity.

    The scariest parts are the context for how some of these drives happened, and to think how big that number would be if the offense did not bail out the defense. Even Curtis Painter led an 80-yard game-tying touchdown drive last season in Indianapolis against LeBeau’s defense before a Roethlisberger game-winning drive.

    If the Redskins had better quarterback play, they would have been able to turn more of those 24 losses into wins. Since 2007, Washington quarterbacks have 12 game-winning drives. The Steelers have 17, with Ben Roethlisberger engineering 16 of them.

    But even Roethlisberger cannot answer if he does not have enough time left.

    The average game-winning drive (in regulation) allowed by the Steelers has come with 3:04 left in the fourth quarter, which is the fifth-smallest amount of time for any team. The less time, the harder it is to answer. The Patriots have the worst average time to answer (just 1:25 left). The Jets have had 7:01 left (the most time), so shame on their offense.

    This table looks at how much time was left in the game when the Steelers allowed the points on their late game-winning drives. In parenthesis is the league rank for that category, and the Steelers rank as the worst in everything except for overtime drives, where they are only one behind Green Bay and Miami.

    Not only is allowing 10 game-winning drives in the final two minutes the worst in the league, but the Steelers have somehow surrendered the game-losing points a league-worst nine times in the last 40 seconds of the game (no other team has more than six). Maybe the only thing worse than that are the seven times in which they have allowed the winning points in the final 0:15.

    You just leave your offense no real time to answer in that situation, and nearly half the losses have happened that way.

    The context behind some of the losses is both jarring and alarming, and things only seem to be getting worse.

    12/6/2009: Oakland’s Bruce Gradkowski became the first QB in NFL history to throw three go-ahead touchdown passes in the fourth quarter, upsetting Pittsburgh 27-24. The third completed an 88-yard drive with 0:09 left.

    2011 AFC Wild Card: In the first game under new overtime rules, Tim Tebow threw an 80-yard game-winning touchdown pass to Demaryius Thomas on the first play. It is the longest game-winning touchdown pass in NFL postseason history.

    The second largest blown fourth-quarter lead in a Super Bowl belongs to Dick LeBeau’s 2008 Steelers (13 points vs. Arizona). Kurt Warner passed for 224 yards in the fourth quarter alone.

    Since 2009, the Steelers have allowed four game-winning touchdowns in the last 0:32 of the fourth quarter. From 1990-2008, the Steelers had allowed only two game-winning touchdowns in the last 60 seconds of the fourth quarter (both vs. Cincinnati).

    Since October 2011, the Steelers have allowed four game-winning touchdown drives of 80 or more yards. That matches the total they allowed from 1990-2010 (21 seasons).

    9/23/2012: Oakland had lost 48 consecutive games when trailing by at least 10 points to start the fourth quarter. They overcame a 31-21 deficit for a 34-31 win in Week 3.

    In Roethlisberger’s 21 fourth-quarter comeback wins, the Steelers have led after three quarters just as often as they trailed (10 times each plus one tie).

    What has caused so many of these losses? Sure, there has been some bad luck. Keenan Lewis dropped an interception in Tennessee last week that may have turned the game. Joe Burnettt dropped a game-ending interception in that 2009 Oakland game. The league admitted to missing a holding call on Jacksonville’s big 4th-and-2 run by David Garrard in the 2007 AFC Wild Card game.

    But it works both ways, and for other teams too. In 2010, Buffalo’s Stevie Johnson dropped the game-winning touchdown in overtime. He was wide open, so LeBeau barely escaped that loss. He was not so lucky last season when Torrey Smith caught the game-winning touchdown with 0:08 left after dropping one, capping off Joe Flacco’s 92-yard drive to take control of the AFC North.

    Trends go back to LeBeau’s days in Cincinnati

    As Cincinnati’s defensive coordinator from 1984-1991, the Bengals allowed a league-worst 27 game-winning drives (tied with Cleveland and Minnesota). Included are a few famous ones against Joe Montana and the San Francisco 49ers.

    On September 20, 1987, the Bengals led 26-20, but just turned the ball over on downs at their own 25. With only two seconds left on the clock, Montana had one shot, and somehow Jerry Rice was left one-on-one for the game-winning touchdown against LeBeau’s defense.

    That is the shortest one-minute drill since 1981, and perhaps in NFL history. When else has a team taken over with two seconds left, needing a touchdown, and won the game?


    The next year the teams would meet in Super Bowl XXIII, and Montana led the first ever classic game-winning drive late in the big game. He completed 8-of-9 passes for 97 yards and the touchdown to John Taylor with 0:34 left. It was flawless, and LeBeau could only watch it happen to his defense.

    LeBeau’s defense not elite versus the elites

    Great quarterbacks have very few problems playing LeBeau’s defense. Here are the numbers Super Bowl-winning quarterbacks have had against him in Pittsburgh since 2004.

    Only Favre struggled, and while the record is close to .500, some of the wins have only been possible because LeBeau has a quarterback of this caliber on his side.

    Roethlisberger saved the 2008 Steelers from the all-time Super Bowl choke with his epic drive to beat Arizona on the Santonio Holmes’ touchdown. He did the same a year later to beat Rodgers and Green Bay on the final play of the game after LeBeau’s defense blew another double-digit lead in the fourth quarter.

    All three of Roethlisberger’s wins over Eli Manning and Drew Brees saw him lead a game-winning drive (two were comebacks).

    The numbers would be even worse for LeBeau if you included how the quarterbacks fared against him when he coached as an assistant in Pittsburgh (1992-1996), Cincinnati (1997-2002) and Buffalo (2003).

    Including those games, these seven quarterbacks have the following lofty numbers combined: 21-11 (.656), 738 of 1,067 (69.2 percent) for 8,401 yards, 7.87 YPA, 59 TD, 17 INT, and a 104.3 passer rating.

    Peyton Manning is 7-1 against LeBeau, and the only loss was in the 2005 AFC Divisional playoff game. Even in that game Manning trailed 21-3 in the fourth quarter and almost won the game in the final minute with another record comeback. Jerome Bettis helped with a fumble, but Roethlisberger made the tackle and the only thing preventing overtime was a missed field goal by Mike Vanderjagt.

    As defensive coordinator in Cincinnati (1984-1991), it was more of the same when LeBeau went up against the game's best quarterbacks. Joe Montana (4-0), Dan Marino (3-0) and John Elway (3-0) combined for a 10-0 record with 17 touchdowns, seven interceptions and a 95.7 passer rating.

    This does not really jive with the New York Giants for example, who are like the opposite version of LeBeau’s Steelers.

    Winners of two recent Super Bowls, we now know they have allowed the fewest game-winning drives (9) in the league since 2007, and they also have been outstanding in the postseason against amazing competition on the road.

    In each of the 11 playoff games in the Tom Coughlin era, the Giants have never allowed more than 23 points. They have held three of the 10 highest scoring teams in NFL history to 20 or fewer points, including 14 points to the undefeated 2007 Patriots and 20 points to the No. 2 scoring team in history, the 2011 Green Bay Packers.

    Whereas LeBeau’s defense made Aaron Rodgers look unstoppable in Super Bowl XLV, the Giants went into Lambeau last year and dominated the Green Bay offense. Do not even get me started on how much more success the Giants have had against Tom Brady.

    Does New York ever have great defensive stats in the regular season? No, but they usually show up big late in games, in the playoffs, and against some of the best offenses ever. That formula is proven to win championships too.

    Fair or not, LeBeau’s championship runs will not be remembered for shutting down elite offenses, but instead will be remembered for Carson Palmer’s torn ACL after one pass, Roethlisberger’s tackle of Nick Harper after Jerome Bettis’ fumble, the officiating against Seattle in Super Bowl XL, Troy Polamalu’s pick six of a rookie Joe Flacco, and Roethlisberger to Holmes on the last drive.

    How do you want your defense to be remembered? Great stats or great moments?

    http://m.nbcsports.com/content/kacsm...ype-steelers-d

    Class dismissed boys.
    Last edited by Siggy00; 03-14-2013 at 07:30 PM.

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    $20 mil cap hits don't play Trent Dilfer Football.
    If you care about winning and not some QBs numbers what does it matter?
    Aikman got the biggest contract in history at the time he never put up huge numbers.
    It is not a dis on Ben, balance is just BETTER.

    And Ben was dominant in the 2005 post season. Came back from TWO 10 point deficits in Cincy. Outplayed Manning in Indy, and dominated Denver.
    Yes, and he threw about 150 less times than he does nowadays in the regular season.
    You make my point Crash, you need a great QB, not a prolific one.
    It is not about how good Ben is, he beat three QBs who ALL were more prolific.
    Prolific does not mean "better".
    As a Peyton hater you know that.

    And in 2008 our great defense blew a 20-7 lead in the 4th quarter of XLIII when they tried to do it your way and run the ball rather than go for the throat from the 48 up 20-7 with the ball.
    And .......we won.

    since then we did it YOUR WAY 500 attempts every year.........no ring.

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    This isn't the overrated Big 10. We'll see.

    Slap here also said Doss was better than Troy coming out of college.

    Obviously the Buckeye Fan Boy was right.
    You do realize he has had success in the NFL behind a crap OL right?
    2014 NFL Draft
    1) ​Darqueze Dennard-DB MSU
    2) Jordan Matthews-WR Vandy
    3) Chris Borland-ILB Wisconsin
    4) Caraun Reid, DT Princeton
    5) De'Anthony Thomas-RB Oregon
    5b) Ryan Carrethers-NT Arkansas State
    6) Jeff Janis-WR Saginow Valley State
    6b) Seantrel Henderson, OT MIami
    7) Colt Lyerla -TE Oregon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Siggy00 View Post

    How do you want your defense to be remembered? Great stats or great moments?

    Class dismissed boys.
    Well, we know he has great stats.

    He also has arguably the greatest "moment" of all:


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    And .......we won.
    Because Ben saved LeBeau's ass. Nothing else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Lemming View Post
    Well, we know he has great stats.

    He also has arguably the greatest "moment" of all:

    Nope. Blowing a 20-7 4th quarter lead doesn't make that play the best SB moment ever.

    Sorry.

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    If you care about winning and not some QBs numbers what does it matter?
    In the cap era? You don't think how much they pay a QB, and to do what in the offense doesn't matter?

    You really believe that?

    It's not about numbers, it's about wins.

    Ben won plenty.

    But rather than admit our 4th quarter scheme sucks (as facts have shown) we take a HOF QB and cut his balls off.

    And for what? 8-8.

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    500 plus passes an no run game gets you 8-8.

    Crash now that their QB got "paid" should that impact how the Ravens who are balanced call plays?

    Dude you call plays to win games, it dont matter what someone makes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Siggy00 View Post
    In the cap era? You don't think how much they pay a QB, and to do what in the offense doesn't matter?

    You really believe that?

    It's not about numbers, it's about wins.

    Ben won plenty.

    But rather than admit our 4th quarter scheme sucks (as facts have shown) we take a HOF QB and cut his balls off.

    And for what? 8-8.

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