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    side note, didn't Urbrik make the team and get cut in his 2nd year? and he's now a multi-year starter for the Bills..
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    Just so you can put this in perspective. Would anyone like to venture how many 4-7 round drafted players are Starters for the Patriots in the same time period???

    ANSWER-1 AARON HERNADEZ


    How bout the Ravens??

    Answer-1 DENNIS PITTA

    New York Giants?

    Answer-1 Andre Brown (very shaky answer at that)

    San Fran???

    Answer-1 Bruce Miller ( a freaking FB)


    THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST UNINFORMED THREADS EVER. I guess Ozzie Newsome, Scott Pioli/Thomas Dimitroff/Belichek can join Colbert as draft dunces. Seriously this thread is a joke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelerOfDeVille View Post
    side note, didn't Urbrik make the team and get cut in his 2nd year? and he's now a multi-year starter for the Bills..
    He is listed on the 2009 roster, so you might be right. But, in my view, a 2nd round pick who makes the roster for one year, never plays and is then cut the following year, it's really no better than a guy cut year 1. He never contributed. And the fact that he went on to play for another team is still just as FAIL. When you draft a guy and never get anything out of him, then it's still FAIL even if another team picks him up. Bills have a pretty bad O line; maybe that's why he made it there. IDK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelerOfDeVille View Post
    when you go to 2 super bowls during that stretch, you don't replace a whole lot of starters if you can help it... now that the team is starting to see some turnover, you'll see more starters from mid-to-late rounders...many have started games (Dwyer, D.Johnson, Beachum... i'm thinking T.Hills did and Mundy has and Dixon did
    This is the line of thinking a lot of Steelers fans have and it is complete BS. What, we couldn't groom draftees and have guys waiting to take over at FS, SS, RB, ILB, OLB? We have to wait till we are screwed? We couldn't draft a solid backup QB? Come on man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steelerkeylargo View Post
    Just so you can put this in perspective. Would anyone like to venture how many 4-7 round drafted players are Starters for the Patriots in the same time period???

    ANSWER-1 AARON HERNADEZ


    How bout the Ravens??

    Answer-1 DENNIS PITTA

    New York Giants?

    Answer-1 Andre Brown (very shaky answer at that)


    THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST UNINFORMED THREADS EVER. I guess Ozzie Newsome, Scott Pioli/Thomas Dimitroff/Belichek can join Colbert as draft dunces. Seriously this thread is a joke.

    RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
    1 24 David DeCastro G Stanford - unknown
    2 56 Mike Adams T Ohio State - unknown
    3 86 Sean Spence LB Miami (Fla.) - knee injury
    4 109 Alameda Ta'amu DT Washington - drunken fool
    5 159 Chris Rainey RB Florida - idiot, gone
    7 231 Toney Clemons WR Colorado - gone
    7 240 David Paulson TE Oregon - maybe a back up
    7 246 Terrence Frederick CB Texas A&M - gone
    7 248 Kelvin Beachum T Southern Methodist - potentially promising

    1 31 Cameron Heyward DE Ohio State - disappointing
    2 63 Marcus Gilbert T Florida - still unknown, could be bust
    3 95 Curtis Brown DB Texas - sucks
    4 128 Cortez Allen DB The Citadel - OK
    5 162 Chris Carter LB Fresno State - sucks
    6 196 Keith Williams G Nebraska - sucks
    7 232 Baron Batch RB Texas Tech - sucks

    1 18 Maurkice Pouncey C Florida - injury prone, but decent
    2 52 Jason Worilds LB Virginia Tech - we will see this year if he is decent
    3 82 Emmanuel Sanders WR Southern Methodist - ok, crappy attitude last season
    4 116 Thaddeus Gibson LB Ohio State - bum
    5 151 Chris Scott T Tennessee - horrible
    5 164 Crezdon Butler DB Clemson - sucks
    5 166 Stevenson Sylvester LB Utah - sucks
    6 188 Jonathan Dwyer RB Georgia Tech - lazy
    6 195 Antonio Brown WR Central Michigan - good pick
    7 242 Doug Worthington DE Ohio State - garbage

    1 32 Ziggy Hood DT Missouri - disappointing
    3 79 Kraig Urbik T Wisconsin - didn't make the team
    3 84 Mike Wallace WR Mississippi - good, but attitude turned into sh-t
    3 96 Keenan Lewis DB Oregon State - solid
    5 168 Joe Burnett DB Central Florida - bum
    5 169 Frank Summers RB Nevada-Las Vegas - bum
    6 205 Ra'Shon Harris DT Oregon - worthless
    7 226 A.Q. Shipley C Penn State - didn't make team
    7 241 David Johnson TE Arkansas State - so so

    1 23 Rashard Mendenhall RB Illinois - overrated, never lived up to physical skills.
    2 53 Limas Sweed WR Texas - complete waste of time, energy, effort. Worthless, crap draft pick
    3 88 Bruce Davis LB UCLA - sucked horribly. Garbage draft pick
    4 130 Tony Hills T Texas - weak and soft. Horrid pick
    5 156 Dennis Dixon QB Oregon - worthless punk
    6 188 Mike Humpal OLB Iowa - crap
    6 194 Ryan Mundy FS West Virginia - sucks

    Sorry, proof is in the pudding. Pgh acts all arrogant about how great they are in the draft but in the last 5 years, all they have proven is that they are clueless. And now we are paying for it. I challenge anyone to refute that their last 5 years of drafting have been any good at all. Out of all those draft picks only a handful of players have panned out. How does anyone consider that to be wise drafting? They should get a D- at best. Their drafting is no better than Cleveland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Pittsburgh View Post
    This is the line of thinking a lot of Steelers fans have and it is complete BS. What, we couldn't groom draftees and have guys waiting to take over at FS, SS, RB, ILB, OLB? We have to wait till we are screwed? We couldn't draft a solid backup QB? Come on man.
    There are 22 starters, and a 53 man roster, plus the practice squad. That's 40 player spots to use as developmental. But some how it's impossible for the team to develop any talent waiting in the wings if they are going to SBs? Hogwash. That is complete BS. Faulty logic out the whooo haaaaaa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lloydroid View Post
    RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
    1 24 David DeCastro G Stanford - unknown
    2 56 Mike Adams T Ohio State - unknown
    3 86 Sean Spence LB Miami (Fla.) - knee injury
    4 109 Alameda Ta'amu DT Washington - drunken fool
    5 159 Chris Rainey RB Florida - idiot, gone
    7 231 Toney Clemons WR Colorado - gone
    7 240 David Paulson TE Oregon - maybe a back up
    7 246 Terrence Frederick CB Texas A&M - gone
    7 248 Kelvin Beachum T Southern Methodist - potentially promising

    1 31 Cameron Heyward DE Ohio State - disappointing
    2 63 Marcus Gilbert T Florida - still unknown, could be bust
    3 95 Curtis Brown DB Texas - sucks
    4 128 Cortez Allen DB The Citadel - OK
    5 162 Chris Carter LB Fresno State - sucks
    6 196 Keith Williams G Nebraska - sucks
    7 232 Baron Batch RB Texas Tech - sucks

    1 18 Maurkice Pouncey C Florida - injury prone, but decent
    2 52 Jason Worilds LB Virginia Tech - we will see this year if he is decent
    3 82 Emmanuel Sanders WR Southern Methodist - ok, crappy attitude last season
    4 116 Thaddeus Gibson LB Ohio State - bum
    5 151 Chris Scott T Tennessee - horrible
    5 164 Crezdon Butler DB Clemson - sucks
    5 166 Stevenson Sylvester LB Utah - sucks
    6 188 Jonathan Dwyer RB Georgia Tech - lazy
    6 195 Antonio Brown WR Central Michigan - good pick
    7 242 Doug Worthington DE Ohio State - garbage

    1 32 Ziggy Hood DT Missouri - disappointing
    3 79 Kraig Urbik T Wisconsin - didn't make the team
    3 84 Mike Wallace WR Mississippi - good, but attitude turned into sh-t
    3 96 Keenan Lewis DB Oregon State - solid
    5 168 Joe Burnett DB Central Florida - bum
    5 169 Frank Summers RB Nevada-Las Vegas - bum
    6 205 Ra'Shon Harris DT Oregon - worthless
    7 226 A.Q. Shipley C Penn State - didn't make team
    7 241 David Johnson TE Arkansas State - so so

    1 23 Rashard Mendenhall RB Illinois - overrated, never lived up to physical skills.
    2 53 Limas Sweed WR Texas - complete waste of time, energy, effort. Worthless, crap draft pick
    3 88 Bruce Davis LB UCLA - sucked horribly. Garbage draft pick
    4 130 Tony Hills T Texas - weak and soft. Horrid pick
    5 156 Dennis Dixon QB Oregon - worthless punk
    6 188 Mike Humpal OLB Iowa - crap
    6 194 Ryan Mundy FS West Virginia - sucks

    Sorry, proof is in the pudding. Pgh acts all arrogant about how great they are in the draft but in the last 5 years, all they have proven is that they are clueless. And now we are paying for it. I challenge anyone to refute that their last 5 years of drafting have been any good at all. Out of all those draft picks only a handful of players have panned out. How does anyone consider that to be wise drafting? They should get a D- at best. Their drafting is no better than Cleveland.

    If your rebuttal is your original statement than you have no statement. Winning teams (i.e. Pittsburgh, NE, Balt, NYG) aren't comprised of starters drafted in rounds 4-7. Teams with lots of those are (if you can find any) the worst in the NFL!!!
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    2) Jordan Phillips-DT-Oklahoma
    3) Geneo Grissom-OLB-Oklahoma
    4) Jeff Heuerman-TE-OSU
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    Clint Trickett-QB-WVU
    6) Justin Coleman-CB-Tenn
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    Quote Originally Posted by lloydroid View Post
    RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
    1 24 David DeCastro G Stanford - unknown
    2 56 Mike Adams T Ohio State - unknown
    3 86 Sean Spence LB Miami (Fla.) - knee injury
    4 109 Alameda Ta'amu DT Washington - drunken fool
    5 159 Chris Rainey RB Florida - idiot, gone
    7 231 Toney Clemons WR Colorado - gone
    7 240 David Paulson TE Oregon - maybe a back up
    7 246 Terrence Frederick CB Texas A&M - gone
    7 248 Kelvin Beachum T Southern Methodist - potentially promising

    1 31 Cameron Heyward DE Ohio State - disappointing
    2 63 Marcus Gilbert T Florida - still unknown, could be bust
    3 95 Curtis Brown DB Texas - sucks
    4 128 Cortez Allen DB The Citadel - OK
    5 162 Chris Carter LB Fresno State - sucks
    6 196 Keith Williams G Nebraska - sucks
    7 232 Baron Batch RB Texas Tech - sucks

    1 18 Maurkice Pouncey C Florida - injury prone, but decent
    2 52 Jason Worilds LB Virginia Tech - we will see this year if he is decent
    3 82 Emmanuel Sanders WR Southern Methodist - ok, crappy attitude last season
    4 116 Thaddeus Gibson LB Ohio State - bum
    5 151 Chris Scott T Tennessee - horrible
    5 164 Crezdon Butler DB Clemson - sucks
    5 166 Stevenson Sylvester LB Utah - sucks
    6 188 Jonathan Dwyer RB Georgia Tech - lazy
    6 195 Antonio Brown WR Central Michigan - good pick
    7 242 Doug Worthington DE Ohio State - garbage

    1 32 Ziggy Hood DT Missouri - disappointing
    3 79 Kraig Urbik T Wisconsin - didn't make the team
    3 84 Mike Wallace WR Mississippi - good, but attitude turned into sh-t
    3 96 Keenan Lewis DB Oregon State - solid
    5 168 Joe Burnett DB Central Florida - bum
    5 169 Frank Summers RB Nevada-Las Vegas - bum
    6 205 Ra'Shon Harris DT Oregon - worthless
    7 226 A.Q. Shipley C Penn State - didn't make team
    7 241 David Johnson TE Arkansas State - so so

    1 23 Rashard Mendenhall RB Illinois - overrated, never lived up to physical skills.
    2 53 Limas Sweed WR Texas - complete waste of time, energy, effort. Worthless, crap draft pick
    3 88 Bruce Davis LB UCLA - sucked horribly. Garbage draft pick
    4 130 Tony Hills T Texas - weak and soft. Horrid pick
    5 156 Dennis Dixon QB Oregon - worthless punk
    6 188 Mike Humpal OLB Iowa - crap
    6 194 Ryan Mundy FS West Virginia - sucks

    Sorry, proof is in the pudding. Pgh acts all arrogant about how great they are in the draft but in the last 5 years, all they have proven is that they are clueless. And now we are paying for it. I challenge anyone to refute that their last 5 years of drafting have been any good at all. Out of all those draft picks only a handful of players have panned out. How does anyone consider that to be wise drafting? They should get a D- at best. Their drafting is no better than Cleveland.
    maybe its not the players that were drafted the last 5 years but the person head coaching them..........OR maybe its the head coach the past 5 years that drafted them and coached them

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelz09 View Post
    With the exception being Antonio Brown, we have not drafted a starter in all of the above drafts in rounds 4 thru 7. 4 rounds in all those years and only 1 starter?!?!
    Don't over react to this either. Only Brown is starting, BUT- Cortez Allen is close to starting, Beachum could be our starting OG in the next year, Jonathan Dwyer is #1 on the RB list, Ryan Mundy has seen significant playing time as a 7th round pick, David Johnson started a FB in a SB year.

    It's not that surprising that late round picks that haven't even completed their rookie contracts, haven't made it as starters yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Pittsburgh View Post
    This is the line of thinking a lot of Steelers fans have and it is complete BS. What, we couldn't groom draftees and have guys waiting to take over at FS, SS, RB, ILB, OLB? We have to wait till we are screwed? We couldn't draft a solid backup QB? Come on man.
    what you said, and what i said are completely different discussions. The question in the thread was about why they don't draft starters, to which I replied, ~you don't REPLACE many STARTERS on a GOOD team~. The basic question was, "why don't we have any 5th rounders taking Troy Polamalu's place?" The honest answer is "cuz that's a stupid question", but, I tried to be tactful about it.

    Now, as for the team looking ahead at positions of need? I actually agree, but, the BPA phisophy has been so good to the team for so long. And I think they've tried, with some mid-to-late round misses. But, most teams miss in the mid-to-late rounds - that's why the players are mid-to-late rounders. But, there are guys they thought were capable when they drafted them (Keenan Lewis, Sean Spence, Ta'amu, Jason Worilds, for example). I think part of the problem there are a high number of aging, KEY long-term players coupled with the typical FA turnover that you get from a "good" team.
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