Only an absolute moron would have Jones in his Steeler mock.
If it fell that way it would come down to Patterson & Warmack in my book. I would go with Patterson. I wouldn't draft Jones there. There isn't an OLB propect in this draft that would start day 1 for the Steelers & don't kid yourself. The more & more I dig on the 3-4 OLB propects and put them up against the other 1st round grades...They keep slipping on my "Steelers" board. If Jones isn't a 4.5 - 4.6 / high 1.5 - low 1.6 split with reps around 20...His stock will start dipping too. He has his age working against him if he won't see the field in a year.
I'm taking into account Lewis is still here. Rhodes & Truffant may come into play if Lewis leaves. We have to take into account DL & Haley and their schemes with the Steelers board. I hate to say this, but as this board is shaping up the BPA may very well be all offensive (WR, OG, & TE). If the are stuck there @ #17, that may be their direction. And yes...I have Warmack, Cooper, Patterson, & Eifert above Jones & Moore right now on my "Steelers" board. I think Moore has a higher ceiling than Jones. But it is clear that the 4-3 DEs are the plug & play guys as pass rushers.
The best fit in the 1st at 3-4 OLB in DL system may be Mingo but he would still be a work in progress and wouldn't see the field day 1. Mingo still has the potential to keep his hand on the ground like Moore. Jones doesn't have the position flexibility and a 3-4 team will have to have zero questions on him to make an early commitment. Jones is shaping up to be that guy where you could either say "We can't passed on him" or "We better pass on him" in the same breath. When those conversations both take place your stock slips. That could be said for Moore but his position flexibility gives him more teams asking that question.
Last edited by JUST-PLAIN-NASTY; 03-07-2013 at 11:25 AM.
I would take Werner over Jones. I think Werner has been projected more in a 4-3 system but I'm prob. one of the few who would pass on Jones.
Originally Posted by Mister Pittsburgh
Yeah let's pick another linebacker to sit the bench with Worilds for 3 years.
this is Mel Kiper's latest mock draft selection for us:
1(17) Pittsburgh Steelers
Analysis: Sticking with Ansah here. You hand an exceptional physical talent with a high ceiling but plenty of development required to Dick LeBeau. When that's the equation, where's the downside? What I think is particularly interesting about this situation is the idea that Ansah could ultimately work out as a 3-4 DE. Ansah might lack polish as a pass-rusher, but he has a lot of power both with raw strength and because he has such a burst, can rush with leverage and also utilize his quickness in one-on-one matchups. The Steelers must get younger on defense and, as I said before, Ansah makes sense given their track record of development.
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Originally Posted by supersteeler
I've been thinking the same way about needed a TE. They help in protection, run support and receiving. We also don't have a starting caliber one that will be ready to play the first part of the season unless Heath's recovery goes unusually well. Even after Heath is back, we have seen what an O can do with two top tier TE's.
the way casey plaed last year, it wouldnt be hard replacing him. we got some big NTs that can battle it out.
Originally Posted by Sugar
2013 Mock Draft: 'Moans for Jones' becoming a theme
By big_jay71 on Mar 7 2013, 12:00p 54
Injury concerns are always a big deal but just how much attention should we give to certain injuries? In the NFL just about the worst concern you can have are knee issues, particularly ACL tears. It's why South Carolina running back Marcus Lattimore probably won't be drafted until the fifth round at the earliest event though he has first round talent. But what about non-serious, nagging injuries or health conditions that may not even affect a player? The first few picks for the Steelers could be players whose stock has fallen because of these issues and in my humble opinion the Steelers should jump on them.
1. Kansas City Chiefs - Luke Joeckel OT, Texas A&M
Team needs: QB/WR/DE/S/ILB
The Chiefs traded for Alex Smith which means that Geno Smith is no longer an option. Star Lotulelei has a heart condition which should take him out of contention. Even though they franchised Brandon Albert this pick should still be Joeckel unless they sign Albert to a long-term contract.
2. Jacksonville Jaguars - Sharrif Floyd DT, Florida
Team needs: QB/CB/S/OT/OC
Because of his condition Star Lotulelei has been overtaken as the highest rated DT.
3. Oakland Raiders - Star Lotulelei NT, Utah
Team needs: QB/CB/RDE/DT
Oakland will take a DT, DE, Dee Millner, or Geno Smith with this pick. Star Lotulelei could fall a lot farther depending on his medical examinations.
4. Philadelphia Eagles - Eric Fisher OT, Central Michigan
Team needs: SS/CB/OC/OT
This pick should be Eric Fisher or Dee Millner depending on what the Eagles do in free agency regarding their CB situation.
5. Detroit Lions - DeMarcus Milliner CB, Alabama
Team needs: CB/DE/SS/OC/RT
The Lions always go with the best available player in the first round. Millner had an awesome combine and has leapfrogged the available DE's as the best player available.
6. Cleveland Browns - Ezekiel Ansah DE/OLB, BYU
Ezekiel Ansah made himself a lot of money at the Senior Bowl and with concerns over Jarvis Jones' spinal stenosis Ansah is not the top rated 3-4 OLB. With the Browns switching to a hybird 3-4/4-3 defense they'll need players who can ply both DE and OLB.
7. Arizona Cardinals - Lane Johnson OT, Oklahoma
Team needs: QB/LT/OG/OC/OLB
This should be the easiest pick to predict. Arizona's offensive line is terrible. Even with Geno Smith available they should still take a left tackle as long as one of the top three are available.
8. Buffalo Bills - Geno Smith QB, West Virginia
Team needs: QB/WR/RDE/ILB
Bills GM Buddy Nix has said they will try to land a franchise QB in this draft.
9. New York Jets - Dion Jordan DE/OLB, Oregon
Team needs: QB/RT/OLB/S/ILB
The Jets should take a rush linebacker as long as either Dion Jordan or Ezekiel Ansah are available, otherwise they might take Cordarrelle Patterson.
10. Tennessee Titans - Chance Warmack OG, Alabama
Team needs: OG/OC/CB/DE
Tennessee needs interior offensive line help and a cornerback so this should be Chance Warmack as long as Dee Millner is gone.
11. San Diego Chargers - Jonathan Cooper OG, North Carolina
Team needs: CB/LT/OG/RB/OLB/NT
San Diego needs a lot of offensive line help and may trade up for Eric Fisher or Lane Johnson. Jonathan Cooper is a slight reach so the Chargers could take an OLB or simply trade back to get better value for Cooper.
12. Miami Dolphins - Cordarrelle Patterson WR, Tennessee
Team needs: WR/RG/LDE/S/TE
The Dolphins have an investment in Ryan Tannehill and will most likely use this pick to bolster the offense around him. They have some decent number two WR's but need someone to be the main guy.
13. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Desmond Trufant CB, Washington
Team needs: CB/DT/SLB/RT
Tampa Bay's pick should be fairly easy. They had a big need for a CB even before they traded Aqib Talib to the Patriots.
14. Carolina Panthers - Sheldon Richardson DT, Missouri
Unless an elite talent falls like Dee Millner or Eric Fisher this pick will most likely be used on the highest rated DT. Given the Carolina doesn't have a third round pick they will probably trade back to pick up one and still get someone like Kawann Short.
15. New Orleans Saints - Barkevious Mingo DE/OLB, LSU
Team needs: OLB/NT/OG/SS
The Saints are converting to a 3-4 defense and will need another pass-rushing OLB to pair with Martez Wilson. The Saints have Akiem Hicks to play NT but could also take John Jenkins or Jonathan Hankins.
16. St. Louis Rams - Kenny Vaccaro S, Texas
The Rams are out of luck for offensive lineman and should take Kenny Vaccaro or the highest rated WR here.
17. Pittsburgh Steelers - Jarvis Jones OLB, Georgia
Team needs: S/ROLB/WR/LG/CB/NT
If Jarvis Jones falls to the Steelers here they should run to the podium to turn in their card much like they did for David DeCastro in the 2012 draft. He's an elite pass-rusher who falls because of concerns over his spinal stenosis but as long as he checks out from the medical staff it shouldn't be an issue. One thing the Steelers have lacked over the last few seasons are splash plays on defense and anyone who watched Jarvis Jones play this past season knows he has had at least a few in every game.
Can anybody explain why a college program like USC would reasonably medically fail this guy (stenosis)? I'm having a hard time getting beyond it. To me, a club (or college) willing to fail a guy medically would seem to practically remove him from consideration. Was it a mistake by SC's medical staff?