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    Quote Originally Posted by Chadman View Post
    Reckon they'll be keeping Taylor.... not so certain about Lewis, however...
    Lewis was probably excited because the Steelers informed his agent that they wouldn't use the franchise tag...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRob View Post
    It doesn't make any business sense?

    Why does it make business sense to eat 6.x million and have that noose hang around your neck in the form of cap constraints for a 4th round pick in the draft?
    Rob, I agree with you completely.

    In Ike Taylor, you have a known commodity - a starting corner in the NFL. After a few rough games early, Taylor was his usual dependable self. The Steelers have had a lot of mixed success with fourth round picks. There have been guys like Willie Colon and Cortez Allen. There have also been Danny Farmer and Orien Harris, or Daniel Sepulvda. Maybe you get a player, maybe a dud.

    You also have to replace a starting corner. Even if Ike is replaced with a rookie, he would count roughly 500k against the cap, thus netting a savings of only $2 million for trading Ike. $2 million will not get you a starting corner nor will it get you much more than a league average starter at a non-premium position.

    The bottom line is that trading/releasing Taylor does not save much on the cap and will lead to a downgrade from a performance standpoint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slapstick View Post
    Lewis was probably excited because the Steelers informed his agent that they wouldn't use the franchise tag...

    Perhaps!!

    The closer it gets to March 12, the less likely he stays in Pittsburgh. Question you have to ask is this- is Keenan Lewis worth re-signing if the market sets the price? He'll be the top CB on the FA market- but Chadman is not convinced he'll be worth the money being offered.

    Is he good?

    Yes.

    But he's not a $7m+ per season CB.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phillyesq View Post
    Rob, I agree with you completely.

    In Ike Taylor, you have a known commodity - a starting corner in the NFL. After a few rough games early, Taylor was his usual dependable self. The Steelers have had a lot of mixed success with fourth round picks. There have been guys like Willie Colon and Cortez Allen. There have also been Danny Farmer and Orien Harris, or Daniel Sepulvda. Maybe you get a player, maybe a dud.

    You also have to replace a starting corner. Even if Ike is replaced with a rookie, he would count roughly 500k against the cap, thus netting a savings of only $2 million for trading Ike. $2 million will not get you a starting corner nor will it get you much more than a league average starter at a non-premium position.

    The bottom line is that trading/releasing Taylor does not save much on the cap and will lead to a downgrade from a performance standpoint.
    Ike will be about 33.5 by the time 2013-14 season arrives. That's not a proven commodity anymore ESPECIALLY for a CB.

    With the extra 4th rounder, I would pick Lattimore. He's a legit 1st rounder (without injuries) and that's not even debatable. Is his injuries a concern? Yes, obviously. It's a risk that is specifically injury related... not performance related, not character related, and surely not talent related. He'll recover but it's just going to take some time which makes it even less of a risk to me.

    I'm not saying the 2 million could be used to sign a starting CB. I'm saying the extra 2 million, along with our other cuts should help in keeping Lewis. If that is done, you don't need another starting CB because you have two starters on the roster with youth.. Allen and Lewis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelz09 View Post
    Ike will be about 33.5 by the time 2013-14 season arrives. That's not a proven commodity anymore ESPECIALLY for a CB.

    With the extra 4th rounder, I would pick Lattimore. He's a legit 1st rounder (without injuries) and that's not even debatable. Is his injuries a concern? Yes, obviously. It's a risk that is specifically injury related... not performance related, not character related, and surely not talent related. He'll recover but it's just going to take some time which makes it even less of a risk to me.

    I'm not saying the 2 million could be used to sign a starting CB. I'm saying the extra 2 million, along with our other cuts should help in keeping Lewis. If that is done, you don't need another starting CB because you have two starters on the roster with youth.. Allen and Lewis.
    Let's not forget that Ike Taylor isn't exactly injury prone and he's ALWAYS in peak physical condition. I expect him to be largely the same player as he gets older like some of the other older CB's in the game. Now with that said I still want them to retain Lewis but I do agree with Chadman he's not worth 7M per and the market could put him out of the teams price range.

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    Taylor isn't going anywhere in a trade. I know it sounds good in theory but what team are you going to find that will give up a 4th rounder for a 33 year old CB for 2 years of guranteed money totaling 13 mil? Teams are smarter than you give them credit for. If the Steelers ever did shop Taylor, every team in the league would know why the Steelers were doing it in the first place....Cap. If they didn't find a suitor he would be released...So why would any teams give up a draft choice inside the top 4 rounds? You would be lucky to get a CB desperate team to dangle a 5th or 6th rounder in your face just so they didn't have to fight over him in FA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JUST-PLAIN-NASTY View Post
    Taylor isn't going anywhere in a trade. I know it sounds good in theory but what team are you going to find that will give up a 4th rounder for a 33 year old CB for 2 years of guranteed money totaling 13 mil? Teams are smarter than you give them credit for. If the Steelers ever did shop Taylor, every team in the league would know why the Steelers were doing it in the first place....Cap. If they didn't find a suitor he would be released...So why would any teams give up a draft choice inside the top 4 rounds? You would be lucky to get a CB desperate team to dangle a 5th or 6th rounder in your face just so they didn't have to fight over him in FA.
    Your exactly right JPN. And it just happens this is the exact same boat the Jests are in with Revis. No team will do a trade knowing what the team is trying to unload cap.

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    Lets remember Keenan Lewis isn't Rod Woodson, Lewis had one good year, to command 7+ Mill for one year of good play might be ok in his mind but not the Steelers FO.
    With Cortez and the recent signing of William Gay it doesn't look promissing the Steelers will be able to sign Keenan unless some unexpected circumstances arise.

    Should be some big news hitting the board early next week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelz09 View Post
    Ike will be about 33.5 by the time 2013-14 season arrives. That's not a proven commodity anymore ESPECIALLY for a CB.

    With the extra 4th rounder, I would pick Lattimore. He's a legit 1st rounder (without injuries) and that's not even debatable. Is his injuries a concern? Yes, obviously. It's a risk that is specifically injury related... not performance related, not character related, and surely not talent related. He'll recover but it's just going to take some time which makes it even less of a risk to me.

    I'm not saying the 2 million could be used to sign a starting CB. I'm saying the extra 2 million, along with our other cuts should help in keeping Lewis. If that is done, you don't need another starting CB because you have two starters on the roster with youth.. Allen and Lewis.
    Steelz,

    Ike trains like a big dog and has never been injury prone or came to in any condition other than tip-top shape. Dismissing Ike because he'll be 33.5 to start this year is a mistake IMO. He can, IMO, at this point, continue to play at his level in a similar fashion that Champ Bailey and Charles Woodson are doing. There is still plenty of tread on those tires...his hands, well that's another thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by papillon View Post
    Steelz,

    Ike trains like a big dog and has never been injury prone or came to in any condition other than tip-top shape. Dismissing Ike because he'll be 33.5 to start this year is a mistake IMO. He can, IMO, at this point, continue to play at his level in a similar fashion that Champ Bailey and Charles Woodson are doing. There is still plenty of tread on those tires...his hands, well that's another thing.

    Pappy
    Ike has always been a solid player but his best attribute was speed. Didn't he run a 4.19? Ike just like Polamalu have seen better days. Ike is not worth 9 million. I just can't see a CB that doesn't create turnovers being 10 mil / year when he's easily on the downside of his career.

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