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    Quote Originally Posted by supersteeler View Post
    The DE I like will most likely be gone when we pick, Ezekiel Ansah, your guy too probably. It appears the lighter DE's have more production getting to the QB more often, bigger weight wise isn't always better.
    While Ansah appears to be a gifted athlete, I view Jordan as less of a conversion project...in the Oregon defense, he was asked to do a lot of the things that Steelers' OLBs are asked to do...specifically, playing off the ball, standing up, dropping into coverage, etc...

    A guy like that with pass rush skills? I'll take him!

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    Improvements are important. However I think there is a third. Heath was our only starting caliber TE last year. Colbert said that he expects knee injuries of this kind to sideline a guy for a year. This tells me that there is a real need right now for a guy who can play TE at a reasonable starting level. Since we don't have anyone on the team like that now, wouldn't drafting a TE make sense? Even when Heath comes back, doesn't it make sense to have two large bodies that can block and be effective in the passing game?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slapstick View Post
    While Ansah appears to be a gifted athlete, I view Jordan as less of a conversion project...in the Oregon defense, he was asked to do a lot of the things that Steelers' OLBs are asked to do...specifically, playing off the ball, standing up, dropping into coverage, etc...

    A guy like that with pass rush skills? I'll take him!

    Agree. IMO Dion Jordan is a better fit and the safer pick. Ansah is a boom or bust. he could be the next LT or he could end up being the next Brett Kiesel. That's not a slam on Kiesel because I think he is great but it isn't a difference maker the way he is used in our defense. We need difference makers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sugar View Post
    Improvements are important. However I think there is a third. Heath was our only starting caliber TE last year. Colbert said that he expects knee injuries of this kind to sideline a guy for a year. This tells me that there is a real need right now for a guy who can play TE at a reasonable starting level. Since we don't have anyone on the team like that now, wouldn't drafting a TE make sense? Even when Heath comes back, doesn't it make sense to have two large bodies that can block and be effective in the passing game?
    Yes, it makes a lot of sense, I have TE in the second round but wouldn't be opposed to making TE my first pick. Not only that a top TE could start immediately and help our offense which certainly needs it.
    It comes down to who the BPA will be when we pick regardless of position IMHO, but it would be sweet to not only get a impact player but one that could help our team the first year.

    I like Eifert in the second but will he last that long? If not, maybe the Steelers will consider who knows. Not sure but I think the Vikings drafted Kyle Rudolph who helped their team right away, he also played at Notre Dame if I'm not mistaken.

    I would be tempted but keep him as a second round pick, I don't see a TE that is dominate in both Blocking and catching the ball, Eifert is a great pass catcher but needs work on the blocking.
    Heath could do it all, thats why they drafted him even though he had an injury to overcome at the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slapstick View Post
    As for Hood, who has proven to be better?

    Perhaps Jairus Byrd, but prior to the 2009 draft, both Polamalu and Clark were playing at a high level...

    Perhaps Max Unger...but, we ended up with Pouncey next season...

    Beyond that, there really isn't anybody within range of that #32 pick that has proven to be better...
    We can agree to disagree, Hood has been a huge disappointment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn View Post
    We can agree to disagree, Hood has been a huge disappointment.
    You are entitled to your opinion...

    However, as I pointed out, there are only two players who may be considered better, if that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by focosteeler View Post
    I don't think there is a RB in this draft worthy of a 1st round pick. As for pass rusher, guys that might have been available for us at 17 moved themselves into top 15 picks from the combine (Ziggy and Dion).
    NFL Scouting Combine: Only one running back might be taken in first round

    February 27, 2013
    By Gerry Dulac / Pittsburgh Post-Gazette



    Former South Carolina running back Marcus Lattimore is aiming to recover from a gruesome knee injury and be one of the top running backs taken in the NFL draft.

    INDIANAPOLIS -- While wide receivers were posting blazing times and making coaches double-check their stopwatch, running backs at the NFL Scouting Combine mostly went unnoticed. Big-play backs with speed were not to be found.

    And that might end up being a good thing for the Steelers.

    One year after three running backs went in the first round and five were among the top 61 picks, the draft this year might only see one running back go in the first round -- Alabama's Eddie Lacy. It's possible only two backs -- Lacy and Wisconsin's Montee Ball -- will be among the top 55.

    Rob Rang of CBSSports.com had Lacy and Oklahoma State Joseph Randle as the two most complete backs in the draft, but that was before Randle ran a 4.63 in the 40-yard dash at the combine.

    The Steelers likely won't take a running back in the first round, mainly because there aren't many, if any, after Lacy worth taking early. But they should have plenty of options in the middle rounds to draft a running back and help replenish a position where the top three on the depth chart are without a contract.

    "I think there's plenty of depth to get a running back in this draft," Steelers general manager Kevin Colbert said.

    History shows running backs can be found anywhere. Houston's Arian Foster, the AFC's leading rusher in 2012, was an undrafted free agent. So was Willie Parker, who had back-to-back 1,000-yard seasons with the Steelers.

    Washington's Alfred Morris, who finished second in rushing to Adrian Peterson in the NFC this past season, was a sixth-round pick in 2012.

    But the Steelers likely won't wait that long to address the position. And there are enough capable backs in the middle rounds who could end up replacing Rashard Mendenhall if the Steelers elect not to re-sign their unrestricted free agent and former No. 1 draft choice.

    One of those is former Arkansas running back Knile Davis, who opened eyes at the combine with his combination of size, speed and strength. Davis (6 feet, 227 pounds) was the second-fastest back at the combine, running an official 4.37 in the 40 -- a blazing time for a back that big.

    And he was the second-strongest back, too, doing 31 reps of 225 pounds in the bench press.

    That combination quickly elevated his stock from a middle-round pick to at least a second-round selection, especially after a disappointing 2012 season with the Razorbacks in which he rushed for just 377 yards. Davis did not play in 2011 because of a broken ankle.

    Just like that, Davis created some buzz for the running back spot.

    "I think the thing that sets me apart is the size, speed, agility combination," Davis said. "I think that is a rare combination that you just don't find every year.

    "The guy I really compare myself to would be more of an Arian Foster, an Adrian Peterson. Arian Foster with the zone running. I'm really good at running the zone. And just the size and speed of Adrian Peterson."

    If the Steelers are to incorporate more zone schemes in their running game in 2013, they need to find a running back to fit that style.

    Davis convinced NFL coaches and general managers he has recovered from his injury. Former South Carolina running back Marcus Lattimore is hoping to do the same after a gruesome knee injury ended his 2012 season.

    Lattimore (6-0, 219) tore the anterior cruciate, posterior cruciate and medial collateral ligaments in his right knee Oct. 27, requiring 2 1/2 hours of surgery. He likely would have been a first-round pick without the injury.

    But his surgeon, Dr. James Andrews, said Lattimore is three months ahead of schedule and has added 20 pounds of muscle during his rehabilitation.

    And Lattimore said he is determined to be ready to play in an NFL season opener in September, inspired by other running backs such as Peterson, Frank Gore and Willis McGahee who returned from similar injuries.

    He said the doctors who examined him at the combine "will be shocked" at his recovery, especially after such extensive damage. Nonetheless, teams would be taking a chance on Lattimore because they won't get to see him do any kind of workout until after the draft.

    "At this point, it really doesn't matter where I get drafted, because I'm going to go in there and work hard,"

    Lattimore said. "I'm going to do what I do. I'm going to do what I've been doing my whole career, and that's just be myself.

    "If I get a chance to play this year, I'm going to make the most out of it. And I feel like I will."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sugar View Post
    Improvements are important. However I think there is a third. Heath was our only starting caliber TE last year. Colbert said that he expects knee injuries of this kind to sideline a guy for a year. This tells me that there is a real need right now for a guy who can play TE at a reasonable starting level. Since we don't have anyone on the team like that now, wouldn't drafting a TE make sense? Even when Heath comes back, doesn't it make sense to have two large bodies that can block and be effective in the passing game?
    Agreed... the screen to Antonio Brown that got blown up and destroyed any chance we had to come back in the San Diego debacle? Caused by Paulson getting physically thrown backwards by a pass rusher and knocking the ball into the EZ with his backside... and he beat Leonard Pope out of the #2 TE job. Got to get better at that position, but this is a deep draft there, and there are a number of cheap, attractive FA alternatives. I think they go a different direction at #17 - no TE worthy of the pick. They'll get one 3rd day, augment with a veteran FA, I believe.

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    IMHO, Hood and Heyward have been adequate starters in the Steeler D. One hopes for better than adequate from a 1st round pick... DE's in our system can have significant impact, whether it be Brett Keisel knocking down passes, Aaron Smith with those 8 sacks... or going back a few years, Ray Seals and his 6 - 8 sacks per year. Pocket pressure is a bonus in the Steelers' 3 - 4 from the DE's (as opposed to, say New England's, where they ask the guys to get upfield more), but again, one hopes for plus play out of a first round pick.

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    I misspoke myself... Cam Heyward hasn't been afforded the opportunity to start, but the point is he has been good enough, not earth shattering.

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