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    Quote Originally Posted by lloydroid View Post
    Better than LT? Were these guys sniffing glue or paint? LT was a one-man wrecking machine. Ham was no where near that level. LT was the only LB to ever win MVP.

    They were asked to do completely different things. Taylor was a great pass rusher, but Ham was the more complete LB. If you didn't watch Ham every game in the 70s you really can't comprehend how good he was.
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    I read and heard interviews that other teams would use the film clips of Jack Ham to train their own linebackers. They said the guy was so in tune with playing that position you thought he invented and then wrote the book on it.

    Hinkle, Little, Merriweather, Nickerson, Cole were all great at their trade too. I remember Lambert said after watching Hinkle in practice when he was a rookie, he didn't think he would would have made the team let alone turn out to be such a good player. I think it was Hinkle that played a game with a broken leg.

    When watching the NFL channels and they talk about Lambert and how he got his start with the Steelers, they mentioned that Noll had to put Lambert into to play his rookie season because the starter was hurt and then, Lambert held onto the position for he next 10 or 11 seasons. Who was the linebacker Lambert replaced ?

    I rememebr when Lambert was out for a game or two and I can't remember who filled in for him but as I watched those games, the opposing teams ran right up the middle on Jacks back up. No one ever ran on Jack Lambert, Jack Ham or Russell.

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    Agree on almost all counts. I would take Kevin Greene over Harrison.
    Tough to argue either side of that too much. Both great players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phillyesq View Post
    Tough to argue either side of that too much. Both great players.
    Kevin Greene = 160 sacks in 228 games

    James Harrison = 64 sacks in 95 games

    Harrsion had two great years but Greene did just as much longer and more consistently. I think everyone forgets how dominant Greene was. Ten seasons of double digit sacks with two consecutive seasons of 16.5. Sorry but I'll take him over Harrison all the time.
    Last edited by Oviedo; 02-21-2013 at 04:22 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oviedo View Post
    Kevin Greene = 160 sacks in 228 games

    James Harrison = 64 sacks in 95 games

    Harrsion had two great years but Greene did just as much longer and more consistently. I think everyone forgets how dominant Greene was. Ten seasons of double digit sacks with two consecutive seasons of 16.5. Sorry but I'll take him over Harrison all the time.
    I did not see Greene as much when he was with the Rams, so I'm just going off his body of work with the Steelers, which was unfortunately just the three seasons.

    Greene was an excellent pass rusher for a long time, no question, and his overall career body of work in that area is better than Harrison's. But Harrison does have 29 forced fumbles to Greene's 23, despite a shorter career. Harrison as has 20 pass breakups - not sure of the number for Greene - it is listed as zero, but I'm not sure if the stat was recorded then.

    I think Harrison is a better overall linebacker - certainly better in coverage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oviedo View Post
    They were asked to do completely different things. Taylor was a great pass rusher, but Ham was the more complete LB. If you didn't watch Ham every game in the 70s you really can't comprehend how good he was.
    Yea, but it was in the 70's, at a time where OLmen were 250 lbs and no one was running at 4.3 speed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phillyesq View Post
    I did not see Greene as much when he was with the Rams, so I'm just going off his body of work with the Steelers, which was unfortunately just the three seasons.

    Greene was an excellent pass rusher for a long time, no question, and his overall career body of work in that area is better than Harrison's. But Harrison does have 29 forced fumbles to Greene's 23, despite a shorter career. Harrison as has 20 pass breakups - not sure of the number for Greene - it is listed as zero, but I'm not sure if the stat was recorded then.

    I think Harrison is a better overall linebacker - certainly better in coverage.
    I don't recall seeing Greene in coverage, but he probably was occasionally. I'd say JH was still the better overall LB. Not only is he awesome against the rush, rushing the passer and in coverage, but he delivers far harder hits than Greene ever did. JH delivers PAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIINN. Greene got you to the ground but not with the force that JH delivers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oviedo View Post
    Kevin Greene = 160 sacks in 228 games

    James Harrison = 64 sacks in 95 games

    Harrsion had two great years but Greene did just as much longer and more consistently. I think everyone forgets how dominant Greene was. Ten seasons of double digit sacks with two consecutive seasons of 16.5. Sorry but I'll take him over Harrison all the time.
    A lot of Greene's time with the Rams was as a pass rushing 4-3 DE...he had a lot more opportunity to rush the passer than Harrison...

    And, while great, Greene never would have been able to take an INT 100 yards for the score like Harrison did in XLIII...

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    Quote Originally Posted by fezziwig View Post
    I read and heard interviews that other teams would use the film clips of Jack Ham to train their own linebackers. They said the guy was so in tune with playing that position you thought he invented and then wrote the book on it.

    Hinkle, Little, Merriweather, Nickerson, Cole were all great at their trade too. I remember Lambert said after watching Hinkle in practice when he was a rookie, he didn't think he would would have made the team let alone turn out to be such a good player. I think it was Hinkle that played a game with a broken leg.

    When watching the NFL channels and they talk about Lambert and how he got his start with the Steelers, they mentioned that Noll had to put Lambert into to play his rookie season because the starter was hurt and then, Lambert held onto the position for he next 10 or 11 seasons. Who was the linebacker Lambert replaced ?

    I rememebr when Lambert was out for a game or two and I can't remember who filled in for him but as I watched those games, the opposing teams ran right up the middle on Jacks back up. No one ever ran on Jack Lambert, Jack Ham or Russell.
    I believe Lambert replaced Sam Davis as the middle linebacker. While Davis wasn't too bad himself he couldn't compare to Jack Splat. With Greene and Holmes keeping the blockers off of him Lambert was a streaking missile to the ball. Then on the outside Russel and Ham seemed like they had been in the opponents huddle. It wasn't the athletic ability that set those 2 apart. It was their football instincts. Think of Troy times two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oviedo View Post
    Kevin Greene = 160 sacks in 228 games

    James Harrison = 64 sacks in 95 games

    Harrsion had two great years but Greene did just as much longer and more consistently. I think everyone forgets how dominant Greene was. Ten seasons of double digit sacks with two consecutive seasons of 16.5. Sorry but I'll take him over Harrison all the time.

    NOT EVEN CLOSE.

    All you see are sacks dude.
    Greene was a ONE TRICK PONY. Great at it but sacks but nothing else. He is closer to Gildon than anyone discussed here.
    You are right he was consistent for a long period with gaudy career sack numbers.

    Greene was not the best LBer ON HIS Steeler TEAM much less of all time. GLloyd by a long shot. DL said it in his interview and he know better than you or I.

    Harrison COMBINED Greenes sack ability with Lloyds run game dominance.
    Double digit sacks and triple digit tackles routinely.

    Look it up OV, NOBODY does that period- league-wide.

    Pass rush like Greene, run D like Glloyd or Ham. Makes the biggest defensive play in team SB history IN COVERAGE. Harrison can dominate a game in all phases, all over the place. Kevin Greene could never do that.

    I'll give Greene props on longevity, Harrison started late and is breaking down.

    But at their peak?

    Harrison was the best defender in THIS LEAGUE.
    As a Steeler, Greene was never the best defender on his team.
    Last edited by Captain Lemming; 02-21-2013 at 07:43 PM.

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