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    Quote Originally Posted by supersteeler View Post
    1. No one knew if JH would be a dominate player before he got his starts.


    2. In his limited play before he became a starter he played well.



    4. Forget the money for a moment and ask yourself who you would rather have playing OLB if the money wasn't a factor?
    You can't forget the money. The money is the reason you have to cut players period.

    Harrison had less starting snaps than Worilds did before becoming the starting OLB in 2007. James had very limited playing time period in his years here before that time.

    He was less of a sure thing in 2007 than anyone wants to remember. The people who liked him had zero body of work to predict his success.

    People forget the outrage that took place in 2007 when Joey Porter was let go at an age 4 years younger than Harrison. Porter was playing at a pretty high level at the time.
    Here comes the BOOM!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRob View Post
    You can't forget the money. The money is the reason you have to cut players period.

    Harrison had less starting snaps than Worilds did before becoming the starting OLB in 2007. James had very limited playing time period in his years here before that time.

    He was less of a sure thing in 2007 than anyone wants to remember. The people who liked him had zero body of work to predict his success.

    People forget the outrage that took place in 2007 when Joey Porter was let go at an age 4 years younger than Harrison. Porter was playing at a pretty high level at the time.

    Your correct it IS about the money, otherwise Worlids wouldn't see the field with a healthy Silverback.

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    Quote Originally Posted by supersteeler View Post
    Your correct it IS about the money, otherwise Worlids wouldn't see the field with a healthy Silverback.
    We agree it is about health and money. Silverback can't stay healthy and he is too big of a cap hit relative to his age and health for this year.

    Worilds doesn't take much cap space and has plenty of potential. Time to see if he can take the next step.
    Here comes the BOOM!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRob View Post
    We agree it is about health and money. Silverback can't stay healthy and he is too big of a cap hit relative to his age and health for this year.

    Worilds doesn't take much cap space and has plenty of potential. Time to see if he can take the next step.
    I think we have a compromise, our team is in a mess with the cap issues where even if the Steelers wanted to keep James its cost prohibited.
    The only option left is give Worlids the keys maybe he'll open some doors and surprise everyone, I wish him well in his endeavors.
    As for James, I'll never forget that INT he had against the Cards that changed the momentum of that game, it took him awhile to get to the end zone but he got there like the warrior he is.
    Wish JH the best too, just like when Hines had to go, its tough for fans to see players like that leave who gave it their all.

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    The Steelers can't pay the man, but the Eagles can and probably will. I feel safe in sadly saying that the Steelers D will be worse than it was this year. Let's just hope the O can put up 35 a game.

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    We were 8-8 with this Steelers team.
    Why is it so important to keep players from a team that was mediocre and showing its age.
    Did anyone ever think that the players the Steelers get into the lineup, might just make an impact.
    I mean they are professionals right?
    When Gay left for Arizona was there any guarantee Lewis would step up and have the season he did?
    Maybe Taumu(sp.) sees the light and realizes this is his last chance in the NFL and becomes an All Pro NT?
    Is this the year Cam replaces Ziggy and does a great A. Smith impersonation?
    Can Spence come back and inspire the defense with his tenacity and football IQ?
    There are so many if's, and none of us know.
    I think the Steelers realized that keeping expensive vets past their primes is a recipe for disaster and just impedes younger players growth.
    See Aaron Smith, Hines Ward and James Farrior as the most recent examples.
    History has proven we have one of the best if not best and most solid franchises in football if not all of sports.
    They want to win as much as we do....
    We just need a little luck, a solid draft and a lot less injuries in 2013

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRob View Post
    We agree it is about health and money. Silverback can't stay healthy and he is too big of a cap hit relative to his age and health for this year.

    Worilds doesn't take much cap space and has plenty of potential. Time to see if he can take the next step.
    Totally agree. Don't repeat the Aaron Smith fiasco with James Harrison.
    Playing Fantasy Football does not qualify you to be the in the front office or on the coaching staff of the Pittsburgh Steelers. They are professionals and you are not!

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    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000139928/article/report-steelers-coaches-want-james-harrison-back

    Report: Steelers coaches want James Harrison back

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    • By Marc Sessler
    • Around the League Writer
    • Published: Feb. 17, 2013 at 03:09 p.m.
    • Updated: Feb. 17, 2013 at 03:30 p.m.






    The Pittsburgh Steelers are widely expected to ask James Harrison to take a pay cut, but if the front office can't work a deal with the veteran linebacker, it appears they'll have some explaining to do down on the field.
    Offseason Forecast: Steelers
    With the offseason under way, Around The League examines what's next for all 32 teams. Gregg Rosenthal tackles the Steelers. More ...



    Ed Bouchette of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reports the team's coaching staff wants Harrison -- contract talks aside -- back in the lineup for the Steelers in 2013.
    He turns 35 in May, but Harrison still matched Lawrence Timmons for a team-leading six sacks last season after missing the first three games with a knee injury. If Harrison is, indeed, on borrowed time, his coaches are still "counting on" him to team with LaMarr Woodley at outside linebacker for at least one more campaign, per the newspaper.
    The Steelers weigh in at roughly $14 million over the salary cap. The team could unearth $5.1 million in relief by releasing Harrison, but that isn't going to happen without trying to work out a more affordable deal first. Harrison isn't the terror he once was, but he knows Dick LeBeau's scheme as well as anyone and -- if healthy -- can still cause problems for quarterbacks.
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    We're all talking about releasing at one point or another the following players: Harrison, Polamalu, Taylor, Kiesel, Hampton, Foote, possibly Miller and we're fairly certain that Wallace and Mendenhall are gone. My question is why is Ben off the table then? How much is he costing against the cap? What if the Steelers extend and then trade Ben for future draft picks in 2014 and a backup quarterback that is young and healthy? If we're gutting an 8-8 team then Ben should be an option to move and do what's best for the future. He's taken the Steelers to three Super bowls and won two, he's often injured, but still a very good quarterback and probably has value to Miami, Kansas City or Philly.

    Maybe, Ben for Cassell and 2014 1st round pick from Kansas City? Or Ben for Dixon and 2014 1st round from Philly? If we're gutting the team and starting over and accepting 4, 5, 6 or 7 wins, they might as well really look to reload. Ben will be 31 next year with a lot of miles on his body, I have more confidence that Harrison will stay healthy while Ben will break down from the beatings he has taken in his 9 years.

    Just sayin...gutting the defense which in most people's estimation has carried the team for 10 years save for few key games and drives and hoping that the offense which is losing its best WR and best RB will all of sudden be able to outscore opponents doesn't seem like a recipe for success. Get a prime pick (1st round) for Ben and a backup quarterback to hold the spot for a year or two and package two #1 picks next year and take the best quarterback available, whoever that will be and start building around a young quarterback.

    Draft this year to rebuild your defense, next year the quarterback and offense and see what happens three years from now. The Steelers will probably be waiting at least that long with Ben to be in the hunt again once the Steelers do what we all believe will be done.

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    1.15) Ryan Shazier - ILB/OLB
    2.46) Stephon Tuitt - DE
    3.97) Dri Archer - RB
    4.118 ) Martavis Bryant - WR
    5.157) Shaquille Richardson - CB
    6.173) Wesley Johnson - OT
    6.192) Jordan Zumwalt - ILB
    7.215) Daniel McCullers - DT
    7.230) Rob Blanchflower - TE

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    I understand that Ben counts about $20 million against the cap...most teams with top-flight QBs are paying them a comparable (or even greater) share of their total cap pie.

    I can only answer your post by saying that I think it's much harder to find a top-flight quarterback than to replace any of the other positions we're talking about. Yes, you can build a defense that "carries" a team, but nowdays, you need to have a great QB to win a championship. People will bring up Trent Dilfer, but that was 13 years ago, and is a rare exception. Look at the teams that have won Super Bowls ever since...no "Dilfers" in that bunch.

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