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    Quote Originally Posted by Dee Dub View Post
    And I disagree about the difficulty of finding a trade partner. A team like San Diego has a lot of needs and a new general manager.
    San Diego's biggest weakness is OL (specifically LT). They cannot count on the injury prone Jared Gaither anymore. If Eric Fisher were on the board at 11, the Chargers would have already made that pick within 2 seconds before we even had a chance to call them with a trade offer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRob View Post
    Your delusional about Fisher if you think he will be there at 11. Fisher is a legit left tackle and will be gone in the first 8 picks. Left Tackle is the next premium position after QB. There are no top ten locks at QB. Fisher can play left tackle day one and will be loong gone.


    I'm not trading a 2nd round pick next year for Chance Warmack when he has a good shot at being there in the 15 to 20 range.

    A. He's a pure guard and like Decastro, will drop further than people think.

    B. This is one of the deepest guard drafts in a long time. You can get an impact guard to start in the 2nd or 3rd rd. Ala Ben Grubbs when he was selected by the Ravens or the guard from the Falcons that went that same year.

    C. There will be an impact player available at 17. I have heard scouts and a lot of G.M.'s say this is a good year to be outside of the top 10.
    Define "IMPACT Player."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dee Dub View Post
    Nope! Geno Smith, Matt Barkley, and maybe even Mike Glennon are going to bump him. Mark my words. QB is even more of a premium position than LT. Teams will reach on QB's because of the importance of the position. Happens every year.
    Not when the QB's are these guys. 2 Qb's might go in the top ten if they are lucky. This year is more like 2005 then 2012.

    Here is the draft order:


    1. Kansas City (2-14)
    2. Jacksonville (2-14)
    3. Oakland (4-12)
    4. Philadelphia (4-12)
    5. Detroit (4-12)
    6. Cleveland (5-11)
    7. Arizona (5-11)
    8. Buffalo (6-10)
    9. New York Jets (6-10)
    10. Tennessee (6-10)
    11. San Diego (7-9)


    You can make a case that every team in the top 11 needs a LT desperately except for the Jets, Cleveland, and Buffalo. That leaves eight teams he could go to in the top 10.

    KC, AZ, and NYJ are the teams that need a QB like yesterday. AZ isn't picking one because the Bidwells still want Kolb to work out.

    Likely landing spots for Fisher could be: Oakland, Jacksonville, Philadelphia, Detroit, Arizona, Tennessee, and San Diego.

    San Diego in particular has an atrocious LT situation. You think they are just going to give-up Fisher for a 2nd round pick? Puh lease. You are California Dreamin and don't even know it.
    Here comes the BOOM!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oviedo View Post
    Define "IMPACT Player."
    A player that will get significant playing time either in rotation or starting by the end of the year. Add production to this as well.
    Here comes the BOOM!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RuthlessBurgher View Post
    San Diego's biggest weakness is OL (specifically LT). They cannot count on the injury prone Jared Gaither anymore. If Eric Fisher were on the board at 11, the Chargers would have already made that pick within 2 seconds before we even had a chance to call them with a trade offer.
    They may not. They may rather get Lance Johnson LT at 17 and add a pick. But again, there is a very good chance the Steelers could actually get up as high as the 8th overall pick by trading next years 2nd rounder. This is an 8-8 team and in the eyes of most in the NFL they are not a strong candidate to be picking at the back end of round 1 next year. Especially after the purging of the roster that is about to take place.
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    2-Jordan Matthews WR Vanderbilt
    3-Jordan Tripp ILB/OLB Montana
    4-Christian Jones ILB Florida State
    5-Brent Urban DE Virginia
    5-Michael Schofield OG/OT Michigan
    6-Kadeem Edwards OG Tennessee State
    6-Ben Gardner DE Stanford
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oviedo View Post
    Define "IMPACT Player."
    Forget impact players. What I am talking about is "immediate impact" players. I do not see anyone at 17 expect maybe Kevin Minter who should be taken between 25-32 not 17. And if Rob is trying to tell there is, chances are he's lying to you.
    Steelers 2014 Draft

    1-Darqueze Dennard CB Michigan State
    2-Jordan Matthews WR Vanderbilt
    3-Jordan Tripp ILB/OLB Montana
    4-Christian Jones ILB Florida State
    5-Brent Urban DE Virginia
    5-Michael Schofield OG/OT Michigan
    6-Kadeem Edwards OG Tennessee State
    6-Ben Gardner DE Stanford
    7-Aaron Colvin CB Oklahoma

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRob View Post
    A player that will get significant playing time either in rotation or starting by the end of the year. Add production to this as well.
    We have different idea of what an impact player is. If he is a rotation guy he more than likely int making an impact. A contribution?....yes, but not an impact. See Jason Worilds last year. Decent contribution but hardly an impact.
    Steelers 2014 Draft

    1-Darqueze Dennard CB Michigan State
    2-Jordan Matthews WR Vanderbilt
    3-Jordan Tripp ILB/OLB Montana
    4-Christian Jones ILB Florida State
    5-Brent Urban DE Virginia
    5-Michael Schofield OG/OT Michigan
    6-Kadeem Edwards OG Tennessee State
    6-Ben Gardner DE Stanford
    7-Aaron Colvin CB Oklahoma

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRob View Post


    1. Kansas City (2-14)
    2. Jacksonville (2-14)
    3. Oakland (4-12)
    4. Philadelphia (4-12)
    5. Detroit (4-12)
    6. Cleveland (5-11)
    7. Arizona (5-11)
    8. Buffalo (6-10)
    9. New York Jets (6-10)
    10. Tennessee (6-10)
    11. San Diego (7-9)
    Of these teams, Kansas City, Oakland, Philadelphia, Cleveland, Arizona, and Buffalo all need a QB's.
    Steelers 2014 Draft

    1-Darqueze Dennard CB Michigan State
    2-Jordan Matthews WR Vanderbilt
    3-Jordan Tripp ILB/OLB Montana
    4-Christian Jones ILB Florida State
    5-Brent Urban DE Virginia
    5-Michael Schofield OG/OT Michigan
    6-Kadeem Edwards OG Tennessee State
    6-Ben Gardner DE Stanford
    7-Aaron Colvin CB Oklahoma

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dee Dub View Post
    But again, there is a very good chance the Steelers could actually get up as high as the 8th overall pick by trading next years 2nd rounder. This is an 8-8 team and in the eyes of most in the NFL they are not a strong candidate to be picking at the back end of round 1 next year. Especially after the purging of the roster that is about to take place.
    It would take more then next years 2nd rounder to trade up to 8th. Next years pick is worth a round lower this year.

    They may not. They may rather get Lance Johnson LT at 17 and add a pick.
    Hate to tell you, teams aren't going to give up a franchise LT to protect Rivers (A major problem this year). If Fisher was to be available at 11, SD would want way more than a 2nd rounder next year to give him up to the Steelers.

    However, if the Steelers can trade up to grab a player they absolutely view as BPA and an areas of need, I'm all for it.
    Here comes the BOOM!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRob View Post
    It would take more then next years 2nd rounder to trade up to 8th. Next years pick is worth a round lower this year.
    Not true. It doesn't lose it's value. It worth just as much this year as it will be next year.

    http://gbnreport.com/tradevaluetable.html
    Steelers 2014 Draft

    1-Darqueze Dennard CB Michigan State
    2-Jordan Matthews WR Vanderbilt
    3-Jordan Tripp ILB/OLB Montana
    4-Christian Jones ILB Florida State
    5-Brent Urban DE Virginia
    5-Michael Schofield OG/OT Michigan
    6-Kadeem Edwards OG Tennessee State
    6-Ben Gardner DE Stanford
    7-Aaron Colvin CB Oklahoma

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