Give a choice, I'd take Russell Wilson over Ben right now.

[Captain Lemming]

You're as myopic in an anti-Ben way as Crash is myopic in a Pro-Ben way; we'll see how it shakes out next year.

Pappy

Aint THAT the truth.
People get so caught up in extremes.

Ben is an excellent QB, with some flaws.

He aint perfect nor is he a bum.

[lloydroid]

Aint THAT the truth.
People get so caught up in extremes.

Ben is an excellent QB, with some flaws.

He aint perfect nor is he a bum.

I never said he was a bum. And he has been great in the past. But I am sick and tired of waiting for him to grow up, stop being a drama queen, stop being lazy, sloppy, unfocused and undisciplined and unaccountable. His sloppiness lost us the two most important games - where just one win would get us in the play offs, and in both cases he lost the games with moronic pics. Unacceptable. He let down millions but couldn't be bothered to pay a little attention.

[lloydroid]

It's not a straw man argument...you were referring to the "new crop of QBs"...how new? You need to clarify before accusing others of a straw man argument...

Clarify? How about I list them all. Oh, that's right, that is what I did. And then you listed a bunch of QBs which I did not list, acting as if they were who I was referring to. That is a straw man argument. Please google it.

[papillon]

Aint THAT the truth.
People get so caught up in extremes.

Ben is an excellent QB, with some flaws.

He aint perfect nor is he a bum.

He's closer to the top than being a bum and it isn't close. There's no need to list the bums we all know who they are and we know who the best are and Ben is way closer to the best of the best than he is the worst of the worst. Seeing it any other way simply shows a disdain for Ben for some reason, maybe he stood up someones sister, maybe he didn't buy you a drink or sign an autograph, but for some reason many people don't like him.

Pappy

Pappy

[Slapstick]

Clarify? How about I list them all. Oh, that's right, that is what I did. And then you listed a bunch of QBs which I did not list, acting as if they were who I was referring to. That is a straw man argument. Please google it.

I don't need to google it...

You should dictionary.com the definition of "new" as in "new crop"...

[DBR96A]

I love these "flavor of the month" selections. Every year there are multiple young QBs who are going to eclipse Ben. Who could forget these classics?

Mike Vick upon his return with the Eagles
Matthew Stafford and his 5,000 yards
Philip Rivers - drafted the same year as Ben and sooooo much better while he dumps it off to Tomlinson then watched him run 60 yards through the D
Alex Smith just last season, not even a starter anymore
The up and coming Sam Bradford
Cam Newton and the Superman pose
Teeeeeeeebooooooow
Andy Dalton just last year
Tony Romo.....everyone's favorite
Matt Schaub

And I'm sure there are more that I can't think of.......

Don't forget Matt Ryan now that he's popped his playoff cherry.

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

Don't forget Matt Ryan now that he's popped his playoff cherry.

Ya, I was going to mention Ryan at the end because he makes it twice. A couple of years ago before he had even made the playoffs he was already better than Ben. Now, after finally winning one playoff game he makes it again.

[Shawn]

A rookie QB, with one season vs a HOF QB having an MVP year before injury...yup makes sense to me.

[papillon]

A rookie QB, with one season vs a HOF QB having an MVP year before injury...yup makes sense to me.

Shawn, I would love that three round draft you have in your sig.; unfortunately, I believe Lacy has played himself into the first round somewhere.

Pappy

[lloydroid]

I don't need to google it...

You should dictionary.com the definition of "new" as in "new crop"...

Then why did you make a list of QBs who I never said were better than Ben? And, the sun is not made out of cheese. I can't believe that you think it is.