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    Offense under Ben through his career.

    Only average 22.6 points per game according to the Depot.
    Is it the OL
    OC OR
    Ben himself, is a good question.
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    It's mindset.

    Get a lead. Run the ball.

    We don't throw up 20 points like Brady and Peyton do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crash View Post
    It's mindset.

    Get a lead. Run the ball.

    We don't throw up 20 points like Brady and Peyton do.
    I don't normally agree with you but I will here....

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    The mindset is also why crappy teams always have a shot vs the Steelers.

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    The lack of the killer instinct on offense has been an issue for a while. We are not playing with the times, the NFL rules are geared for passing and we tend to tuck our heads between our legs and allow the other team to score at will...not necessarily our D's fault, just the way the rules are and we aren't adapting.
    ours is not to wonder why just invert and multiply...

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    Case in point:

    Dallas 50:

    Run run pass

    Cincy 32

    Run run pass.

    Steelers 46 in the same game

    WR screen, run run run Ben scramble.

    Eight first and second down plays in those three drives.

    7 runs, 1 pass.

    Why are we paying Ben $15 mil a year to be Trent Dilfer?

    Then when he can't bail them out in the last two minutes it's Ben sucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crash View Post
    Case in point:

    Dallas 50:

    Run run pass

    Cincy 32

    Run run pass.

    Steelers 46 in the same game

    WR screen, run run run Ben scramble.

    Eight first and second down plays in those three drives.

    7 runs, 1 pass.

    Why are we paying Ben $15 mil a year to be Trent Dilfer?

    Then when he can't bail them out in the last two minutes it's Ben sucks.
    Yuuuuup...
    but is the culprit for the turtle playcalling Haley, Tomlin, or ArtII?

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    3 Super Bowls
    I wish people would/could leave politics out of a Steelers Football Forum.

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    i don think ben is all that talented.
    he has benefitted hugely by having a top 5 defense and strong running game to support him since day 1.
    i dont believe for a second that if you put ben in GB, NO, NE, DET, etc that he would put up numbers near those teams qbs.
    i like ben but i never thought of him as being 'elite'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squidkid View Post
    i don think ben is all that talented.
    he has benefitted hugely by having a top 5 defense and strong running game to support him since day 1.
    i dont believe for a second that if you put ben in GB, NO, NE, DET, etc that he would put up numbers near those teams qbs.
    i like ben but i never thought of him as being 'elite'.
    Yes, such a nice, strong running game that hasn't ranked in the top 10 in yards or YPC since 2007.

    As for the defense, the Steelers invest so much in it that there's not enough left for the offense. Sure, having a good defense indirectly helps a QB, but you know what? The QB is never on the field with his defense. He's on the field with 10 other players on offense, and Roethlisberger has had the worst set of those 10 players of any top-tier QB in the last five years. Having a mediocre supporting cast on offense directly harms a QB.

    The offensive line hasn't been good in years, and Willie Parker was the last good RB. Rashard Mendenhall is too much of a space cadet to be good. The WRs have been overrated. Hines Ward was the only consistent one. Antwaan Randle El, Santonio Holmes and Mike Wallace all made just as many dumb plays as big plays. Even Antonio Brown needs some sense knocked into him, apparently. And the TEs were never incorporated into the passing game until this season.

    Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers have all had better offensive lines. Rodgers marginally so, but he compensates for it with his mobility. Manning and Rodgers have had better WRs. Brees and Rodgers have been in better systems. I like Todd Haley's system, though; there just aren't enough good pieces yet for it to work properly. Each of the other QBs has also been assisted by a running game that's effective when they choose to use it.

    "You gotta get over this 'well he's got a great defense.' He can't throw to his defense. His defense doesn't block for him." -Colin Cowherd discussing Ben Roethlisberger (12/06/2010)
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