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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn View Post
    Yes, because you should never challenge a QB to grow or improve his game.
    That is not what I am saying--that is your interpretation or perception.

    Everyone has abilities that come naturally to them, e.g.--public speaking. Those skill sets can be enhanced with further development. That is playing to a 'strength'. Eliminating or changing a weakness will that take much more deliberation, cognition, and skill enhancement to change. When it comes to crunch time, the natural inclination will be to use a strength.

    A real teacher can help a person identify their natural strengths and fine tune them; help also to identify a weakness & ways to lessen, mitigate or transition into a strength.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kindlecatsb'ng View Post
    That is not what I am saying--that is your interpretation or perception.

    Everyone has abilities that come naturally to them, e.g.--public speaking. Those skill sets can be enhanced with further development. That is playing to a 'strength'. Eliminating or changing a weakness will that take much more deliberation, cognition, and skill enhancement to change. When it comes to crunch time, the natural inclination will be to use a strength.

    A real teacher can help a person identify their natural strengths and fine tune them; help also to identify a weakness & ways to lessen, mitigate or transition into a strength.
    I believe that to be what Haley was trying to do.

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    Haley's offense doesn't enhance Ben. It devalues him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crash View Post
    Haley's offense doesn't enhance Ben. It devalues him.
    Ben.....Ben Ben Ben. Haley sucks.........Ben....Ben....Ben. All the Rooney's suck. Ben....Ben....Ben.....Ben.... Hines Ward sucks... If only Ben could own coach and QB the team the steelers would be unstoppable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Manning sucks, Brady sucks, Rodgers sucks, Elways sucks. Go Ben Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!! !

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7 UP View Post
    Ben.....Ben Ben Ben. Haley sucks.........Ben....Ben....Ben. All the Rooney's suck. Ben....Ben....Ben.....Ben.... Hines Ward sucks... If only Ben could own coach and QB the team the steelers would be unstoppable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Manning sucks, Brady sucks, Rodgers sucks, Elways sucks. Go Ben Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!! !
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    Haley's great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crash View Post
    8-8.

    Haley's great.

    No No No. Haley is not great. Only Ben. Ben Ben Ben!!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7 UP View Post
    Ben.....Ben Ben Ben. Haley sucks.........Ben....Ben....Ben. All the Rooney's suck. Ben....Ben....Ben.....Ben.... Hines Ward sucks... If only Ben could own coach and QB the team the steelers would be unstoppable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Manning sucks, Brady sucks, Rodgers sucks, Elways sucks. Go Ben Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!! !

    It doesn't read like you are drinking only 7-Up today. Maybe 7-Up enhanced?

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    Maybe the new guy can make an arrangement with Ben that he can use the no huddle a LOT more, if he agrees to use short passes a LOT more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crash View Post
    Haley's offense doesn't enhance Ben. It devalues him.
    This is about right.

    Thing is- the Haley offense isn't bad. It just doesn't suit this group of players- outside of Heath Miller.

    If you are having trouble believing this to be the case- explain this: You have an all-pro QB that has made a living of moving around the pocket to make plays. He has, historically, taken a beating as a result of this, coupled with playing some less-than-stellar OL players in front of him (Mahan, Stapleton, Jonathon Scott.. need we continue?).

    You have a stable of exciting young WR. The leading WR for the last 3 years is a supreme deep-threat. We have no big, physical WR that can turn a short catch into a long run, or fight through traffic.

    We have a stable of average, unproven RB's outside of Mendenhall.

    So, in order to succeed, the Haley offense:

    Works on keeping Ben in the pocket more.

    Takes away the deep route & focuses on shorter routes.

    Puts more emphasis on running.


    It's like the Steelers looked at the players on Offense & said "how can we work against their strengths best?". Haley can't really be blamed- it was the Offense that he was hired to bring in. It was designed to keep Ben upright more, which it did, to a degree (anyone want to argue that by putting better OL players on the field they'd achieve the same results?).

    But Haley's offenses are all about timed routes, solid to spectacular running, physical WR play... essentially everything Pittsburgh doesn't do well.

    Not saying Haley's offense can't be implemented. It can. It'll need a more explosive RB, a bigger WR or 2, and Ben to change his style of QB play a bit.

    It can be done. It just doesn't fit the players we had last season.

    But Crash is right- if it's the offense style that we value over the QB's ability- this type of Offense devalues Ben. Alex Smith could run this offense just as effectively.

    May as well trade Ben for a couple of 1st round picks now...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crash View Post
    Haley's offense doesn't enhance Ben. It devalues him.
    I actually agree with this statement, it certainly doesn't take advantage of the things that Ben does best.

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