Quote Originally Posted by lloydroid View Post
There are various forms of knowledge. There is the strict, court-case level of truth that you are kind of speaking of (Do we really know what's in Ben's head?) and then there is the common sense, read-between-the-lines kind of perceptions. You don't always have to have the court-case-level of "evidence" to know when something is true. What we do know, is that Ben threw Haley under the bus on his play calling after the Dallas loss, even though it was Bonehead Ben who through the awful, game-losing pic. Haley had nothing to do with that moronic decision to throw that pass with a CB just waiting for the ball. We can also conclude that his teammates are not all big fans; how can a franchise QB never be voted team MVP? I feel it is safe to say that Ben doing the sideline cheer leading is considered as fake by many of the players. Look at their faces and body language during Ben's little talks. I thought Ben would grow up this year. But playing carelessly is immature. You are being careless with games that mean the world to millions of people. He should take it far more serious than he does. He is talented, but be sloppy and careless negates much of that talent.
I'm well aware of intuitive knowledge, but I'm also thinking you're seeing what you want to see there. Maybe the team never votes for him as MVP because he's the $100 million QB? I look at their body language and don't see anything like what you are talking about. As for the Dallas game, the DB who picked off Ben had played for Haley last season and was waiting on the play. It doesn't make it a good throw, but there was also a whole game prior to that overtime. Ben was probably not fully recovered, but is a competitor who was doing his best to play without making injury excuses. I still say an 80% Ben is better than a 100% Batch.