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Thread: Main Reason for disappointing season - Mike Tomlin

  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Slapstick View Post
    When the Steelers lost XXX, should Cowher have coached O'Donnell not to throw INTs?
    O'Donnell only threw seven interceptions during the entire 1995 season. For all of his many faults, turnovers weren't a chronic problem with O'Donnell like fumbling or special teams penalties were with this team.

  2. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by feltdizz View Post
    It's Tomlin's job to get Lebeau out of a rut if he is truly in one... but ummm, the D wasn't the problem this year.
    Of course they weren't. The crisis on defense is seen only by Ovi.

    The Steelers lost 2 home games in which the opposition did not score an offensive touchdown - the problem with the 2012 Steelers was not the defensive side of the ball, especially not down the stretch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slapstick View Post
    No. Head coaches don't win games. Players do. If head coaches won games, "genius" Belichick would have had SB rings in Cleveland....

    so tomlin isnt responsible for any wins? cool, that's what ive been saying

  4. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by squidkid View Post
    so tomlin isnt responsible for any wins? cool, that's what ive been saying
    If he isn't responsible for wins, nor can he be responsible for losses....

    Can't have it both ways....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slapstick View Post
    If he isn't responsible for wins, nor can he be responsible for losses....

    Can't have it both ways....
    ive got no problem admitting tomlin is a mediocre/decent coach and his record(good or bad) is a direct result of the front office, OC, DC, schedule, injuries, player production and if the breaks go your way or not.

  6. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by Oviedo View Post
    You are obviously heavily indulging in controlled substances. As much as many want to characterize me as a "LeBeau hater" because it is easy I always thought LeBeau was great until about 2-3 years ago when he clearly demonstrated he would not modify or adjust his defense as apparent weaknesses and lack of depth appeared. IMO he is in a rut and can't get out of his comfort zone.
    I think you are heavily indulging in a controlled substance. LeBeau has changed his defense the last 2 or 3 years! It looks way different then when he blitzed every other play. He has ran a defense to try and control the passing attacks of todays NFL. Fast paced quick throws 2 or 3 step drops! No blitz will get there when good QB's throw quick passes most of the time. So play coverage and limit YAC.

  7. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by squidkid View Post
    ive got no problem admitting tomlin is a mediocre/decent coach and his record(good or bad) is a direct result of the front office, OC, DC, schedule, injuries, player production and if the breaks go your way or not.
    You just described every HC in the NFL....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slapstick View Post
    You just described every HC in the NFL....
    i somewhat agree.
    the real good ones get a few more wins because of gameplanning, motivation, schemes, etc.
    the bad ones lose more because they cant do the above.
    i think most nfl head coaches are the same

  9. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by Slapstick View Post
    Belichick didn't win before Brady. Cowher didn't win before Ben. Coughlin didn't win before Eli.

    Steve Spagnuolo coached an amazingly effective D in NY....in NO, his D set a record for yards allowed...

    Coaches are important. Just not nearly as important as the performance of the players....
    The problem is that the performance of a coach is not a totally indepedent from the performance of the players. Good coaches figure out how to get the most out of their players. Again, Belichick comes to mind. The Patriots don't play too many sloppy games full of mental mistakes, penalties and turnovers. When they do, they fix it quickly.

    Coaching is very important and a good coach makes his players perform at a higher level on a consistent basis.

  10. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by MCHammer View Post
    Coaching is very important and a good coach makes his players perform at a higher level on a consistent basis.
    Which is what Tomlin does and what Cowher did...

    Now, could Tomlin have done a better job this year? He would be the first person to say yes and to hold himself accountable...

    Was Tomlin the main reason for the disappointing season, as the OP asserts? I would have to say no...

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