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    Tomlin vs Cowher

    Wish i could claim this...but sent to me by Dutch.

    "Well coached" teams don't beat themselves. They also force their opponents into mistakes of their own.


    Cowher's turnover differential since 1992


    1992 +11
    93 +11
    94 +14
    95 0
    96 +7
    97 +1
    98 -3
    99 +3
    00 +12
    01 +7
    02 0
    03 -3
    04 +11
    05 +7
    06 -8
    Cowher +70 (+44 first 6 years)

    Now lets take a look at Tomlin's heavily talented football team.


    Tomlin's turnover differential since 2007
    07 +3
    08 +4
    09 -3
    10 +17
    11 -13
    12 -14
    Tomlin -6

    Belichick's turnover differential since 2002
    02 +5
    03 +17
    04 +9
    05 -5
    06 +5
    07 +16
    08 +1
    09 +6
    10 +28
    11 +17
    12 +22
    Belichick +121 in turnover differential!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Tomlin's team ranking in penalty yards per game!

    12 #25
    11 #22
    10 #25
    09 #16
    08 #29
    07 #7
    Average ranking in penalty yards per game under Tomlin = 20th worst


    Cowher's penalty yards per game
    06 #5
    05 #8
    04 #5
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    Tomlin's teams 82 more penalties since 2007 than Belichick's teams.

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    I never did like Tomlin from day one but I have chosen from the beginning to stay quiet. I did not need the hassle of being the only person bashing Tomlin when there were no stats to back up my thoughts. I'm tired of Tomlin standing on the sidelines looking like an idiot and doing nothing when the team plays like garbage. Cowher could motivate, Tomlin cannot.
    Last edited by Prowler; 12-26-2012 at 06:19 AM. Reason: grammar

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    Also Cowher approach was to play not to lose and guess what he did but guess how many Home AFC championship games that cost him. But how fast do we forget.

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    Don't just take one side of the story
    What about wins their first7 seasons or
    Playoffs wins or
    12 win season or
    SB wins their first7 or
    Losing seasons
    See my point is that you can take any stats and turn them in the favor that you deem necessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steelhere10 View Post
    Don't just take one side of the story
    What about wins their first7 seasons or
    Playoffs wins or
    12 win season or
    SB wins their first7 or
    Losing seasons
    See my point is that you can take any stats and turn them in the favor that you deem necessary.
    Some stats do matter and do indicate a well or poorly coached team. I am concerned by what I am seeing. I mean Tomlin fell into a real sweet situation...franchise QB, elite D, great organization. I think an average coach could have coached these guys to several 12 win seasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steelhere10 View Post
    Don't just take one side of the story
    What about wins their first7 seasons or
    Playoffs wins or
    12 win season or
    SB wins their first7 or
    Losing seasons
    See my point is that you can take any stats and turn them in the favor that you deem necessary.
    While I somewhat I agree with your point, one has to wonder just how dominant the Steelers could have been had they had a better turnover differential.

    I also wonder if the change to a pass oriented offense has had a big influence. think about the fact that RBs don't get as many carries, so when they do they are not as mentally prepared for the hits and jarring on the ball. The WRs, while fast, just don't seem to have the strongest or best hands. Maybe the pass offense takes more chances than a Bettis-led team?...

    However, facts are facts. Teams that do lousy taking care of the ball, don't usually fair too well.

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    And please don't mention talent ,when Cowher had the best talent in most of football for at least his first8 years with the exception at Qb. He even had better ol, dl, lb and secondary and great rb and again how many SB wins?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steelhere10 View Post
    And please don't mention talent ,when Cowher had the best talent in most of football for at least his first8 years with the exception at Qb. He even had better ol, dl, lb and secondary and great rb and again how many SB wins?
    I think sticking to some relevant questions would be prudent. Why is Tomlins teams struggling with penalties, and turnovers? Is this just bad luck, or does coaching have something to do with that?

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    I think the penalties could be somewhat coaching technique/drafting but at the same time the players must be held accountable.
    As far as the turnovers the style of defense DL run as far as not getting beat deep, keep the player in front of you mentality you are not going to get many because its more of a safe defense instead of forcing the issue type D. And you can't hold the ball for the players they are out there playing. So I think the penalty part is related to coaching but the other is style of play and more on the players themselves.
    Last edited by Steelhere10; 12-26-2012 at 07:36 AM.

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    However with that being said I think Tomlin had a terrible year and most was not his in game decisions.
    Benching of Mendy , the hiring of Haley and the firing of the St coach cost us at least two games in my opinion.

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