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    And, week after week, the Steelers are usually in a position to win the game....

    Unless multiple and/or critical turnovers by the offense and/or special teams allows the opponent to take advantage of the costly error and win the game....

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    Quote Originally Posted by pittpete View Post
    Whats mind boggling is the lack of turnovers these paper champions have generated this year.
    and last year as well...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slapstick View Post
    And, week after week, the Steelers are usually in a position to win the game....

    Unless multiple and/or critical turnovers by the offense and/or special teams allows the opponent to take advantage of the costly error and win the game....
    True, against good teams we rarely get blown out. BUT, this approach is also why we don't blow teams out that are inferior and then when we make a mistake or two, why we lose to bad teams. We essentially keep crappy teams in the game simply due to this conservative approach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flippy View Post
    It's about being conservative on the backend and not giving up big plays. And making QBs make mistakes with pressure. The problem is we can't generate pressure.

    There's quite a few plays this season where opposing QBs have forever and still can't find anyone open. We're playing pretty great on the backend. Our front 7 can't do anything and that's where the problem lies.
    Which is kind of pathetic, since the whole concept of this D is applying pressure to the QB, yet we can't get any. FAIL. Woodley has been more worthless than tits on a bull. Timmons has got pressure when they send him. Harrison just returning to form. NOTHING from the DL, which isn't all about pressure in a 3-4 but SOME would sure help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pittpete View Post
    Woopdeedoo, and whats our record?
    Whats mind boggling is the lack of turnovers these paper champions have generated this year.
    Just sayin
    Woopdeedoo ...are the Steelers going to win the Superbowl every year in your fantasy world???

    The lack of Turnovers is the DEFENSIVE scheme's fault???

    In 2010 the Steelers forced 35 TO's (21 INTS)
    In 2008 29 TOs (20 Ints)
    Over the last decade the Steelers have forced over 25-35 TO's per year on average.
    Different Defensive Scheme???
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    Quote Originally Posted by SidSmythe View Post
    Woopdeedoo ...are the Steelers going to win the Superbowl every year in your fantasy world???

    The lack of Turnovers is the DEFENSIVE scheme's fault???

    In 2010 the Steelers forced 35 TO's (21 INTS)
    In 2008 29 TOs (20 Ints)
    Over the last decade the Steelers have forced over 25-35 TO's per year on average.
    Different Defensive Scheme???
    Pgh is -14 in turnover ratio.

    NE is +22

    I wonder which team will go further in the play offs? Pgh is nearly the bottom of the barrel when it comes to forcing turnovers or giving them up. It's a sign of an unfocused, undisciplined team, period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SidSmythe View Post
    Woopdeedoo ...are the Steelers going to win the Superbowl every year in your fantasy world???

    The lack of Turnovers is the DEFENSIVE scheme's fault???

    In 2010 the Steelers forced 35 TO's (21 INTS)
    In 2008 29 TOs (20 Ints)
    Over the last decade the Steelers have forced over 25-35 TO's per year on average.
    Different Defensive Scheme???
    You are correct, it did work...once. Is it working now? Why? Players? League knows how to deal with it because they seen it from us and they see it week after week from more and more teams playing the 3-4. No surprises. No fooling anyone.

    Suince it isn't working now like in 2008 and 2010, what do we do? Keep doing the same thing because it worked 3-4 years ago? Wait two, three, four years until we get players who can make it work again? How about we do something really radical and adjust to the players we have and modify things to put them inpositions to excel whether the Def Coord is comfortable with that or not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lloydroid View Post
    Pgh is -14 in turnover ratio.

    NE is +22

    I wonder which team will go further in the play offs? Pgh is nearly the bottom of the barrel when it comes to forcing turnovers or giving them up. It's a sign of an unfocused, undisciplined team, period.
    That's my point. It's not the SYSTEM, it's the PERSONNEL
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    Quote Originally Posted by SidSmythe View Post
    That's my point. It's not the SYSTEM, it's the PERSONNEL
    Lets say you are right and we do have the wrong personnel to execute, then why are we trying to do the same thing that we did when we had the right personnel? Does that make sense on any level? Sound like we are trying to fit square pegs in round holes because someone is in love with rounds holes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oviedo View Post
    Lets say you are right and we do have the wrong personnel to execute, then why are we trying to do the same thing that we did when we had the right personnel? Does that make sense on any level? Sound like we are trying to fit square pegs in round holes because someone is in love with rounds holes.
    Is there really a "system" that produces more "turnovers"??

    Maybe "play calling" or certain coverage disguises at the correct times.

    BUT I simply think it comes down to lack of pressure forcing bad throws/poor decisions

    As for changing things up??? I guess it would be worth a shot, but I think we're doing the best we can with what we have.
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