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    Quote Originally Posted by Dee Dub View Post
    That is flawed thinking because as I pointed out Joe Green didn't immediately change the fortunes of the Steeler but he ultimately had one of the greatest impacts on a team in NFL history.

    And I personally think the Steelers are maybe one player away on the D-side of the ball from being dominate again. And when you can add that it is worth it.

    No CB in this draft would have the impact that T'eo would have on the Steelers. And since they already have 3 OLB (Harrison, Woodley, Worilds), I think that a pass rushers isnt as important right now. And besides as I have already said, picking 10-15 there isnt one this year who I think would have a greater impact than T'eo. Those whoa re going to be there (Mingo, Montgomery, Jordon, etc.), are all having down years. That's a no for me.

    What type of impact did Junior Seau have on the Chargers? Brian Urlacher on the Bears? I think T'eo is going to have the same type.
    The Steelers pass rush has been atrocious this year. Harrison is going to be cut after this year. You really think we don't need anything behind Worilds/Woodley? I don't care if you think Mingo/Montgomery/Jordan have had down years. They are vastly superior athletes to Te'o that have much higher upside.

    You really think the defense is going to be dominant again by adding one player? This defense needs several pieces. NT/DL/MLB/S.

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    Quote Originally Posted by feltdizz View Post
    I never said ILB.. I said LB. Jones, Mosley, Minter are all as good as T'eo. Don't let the ND broadcasters fool you...

    Like Rob said.. the story of T'eo is great and he plays on THE team when it comes to exposure and feel good stories...

    I just think he is a little over rated due to the team he is on. Don't get me wrong, I would love to have him in the 15 to 18 range but at 10? No way...
    felt, I would think that you would know that me of all people actually watches the college games for himself. It is my passion. As much as I love Kevin Minter he isnt what T'eo is. Neither is Mosely. Jarvis Jones is very special but he is an OLB who probably will be taken in the first 5 picks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRob View Post
    The Steelers pass rush has been atrocious this year. Harrison is going to be cut after this year. You really think we don't need anything behind Worilds/Woodley? I don't care if you think Mingo/Montgomery/Jordan have had down years. They are vastly superior athletes to Te'o that have much higher upside.

    You really think the defense is going to be dominant again by adding one player? This defense needs several pieces. NT/DL/MLB/S.
    Yes I agree we do need another OLB but not picking at number 10-15. Second, third, or 4th round is more appropriate for team that will have two returning starters there next year. And yes, a player the caliber of T'eo could make this team dominate again. For one, I think Timmons will then be used a lot differently. Used more to his skill set and be turned loose more often.

    I am saying this with the thought that players return to health (Polamalu and Woodley for instance), next year. And I believe once Heyward is given the starting spot he will become one of the better 3-4 DE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dee Dub View Post
    Yes I agree we do need another OLB but not picking at number 10-15. Second, third, or 4th round is more appropriate for team that will have two returning starters there next year. And yes, a player the caliber of T'eo could make this team dominate again. For one, I think Timmons will then be used a lot differently. Used more to his skill set and be turned loose more often.

    I am saying this with the thought that players return to health (Polamalu and Woodley for instance), next year. And I believe once Heyward is given the starting spot he will become one of the better 3-4 DE.
    Well, We'll have to agree to disagree. Nice debate though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRob View Post
    Well, We'll have to agree to disagree. Nice debate though.
    What I would like for you to do Rob is tell me who the Steelers should draft if they are picking at the 10 spot.

    Here are the players who will probably be available at or near that pick....

    Manti T'eo
    Barkevious Mingo DE/OLB (has never played OLB)
    Sam Montgomery DE/OLB (has never played OLB)
    Dion Jordan DE/OLB (has never played OLB)
    Keenan Allen WR
    Dee Milliner CB
    Jake Mattews OT
    Taylor Lewan OT
    Matt Barkley QB
    Chance Warmack OG
    John Jenkins DT/NT
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dee Dub View Post
    What I would like for you to do Rob is tell me who the Steelers should draft if they are picking at the 10 spot.

    Here are the players who will probably be available at or near that pick....

    Manti T'eo
    Barkevious Mingo DE/OLB (has never played OLB)
    Sam Montgomery DE/OLB (has never played OLB)
    Dion Jordan DE/OLB (has never played OLB)
    Keenan Allen WR
    Dee Milliner CB
    Jake Mattews OT
    Taylor Lewan OT
    Matt Barkley QB
    Chance Warmack OG
    John Jenkins DT/NT
    I would take Jordan and/or Mingo over Te'o based on upside alone. Jake Mathews would be my 3rd choice. This team still needs O-line/D-line/Pass Rush more than LB help.

    My absolute preference would be to trade back and pick up additional picks. Thats what we need more than anything in a deep draft like this.

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    Oh and I was incorrect. Steelers are currently drafting at pick number 17. If any of these teams win one of their last 2 games we move up (good chance on some of these teams doing that if not all) . If all do so and Steelers lose both of their last two games they pick at 11.

    St. Louis
    New Orleans
    New York Jets
    Miami
    Tampa

    If any of these teams win both of their last two games we move up (not likely).

    San Diego
    Buffalo
    Cleveland
    Tennessee
    Carolina
    Arizona
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRob View Post
    I would take Jordan and/or Mingo over Te'o based on upside alone. Jake Mathews would be my 3rd choice. This team still needs O-line/D-line/Pass Rush more than LB help.

    My absolute preference would be to trade back and pick up additional picks. Thats what we need more than anything in a deep draft like this.
    So you would take Jordan and Mingo and their not so great 2012 college seasons? Wow. Mingo really hasnt done much this year. 33 tackles with only 4 sacks and 5.5 TFL. I would think you would want more from that high of a pick. Jordan has been better but he had a down year compared to 2011. If I were to do this based on up-side I'd rather they use that pick on Anthony Barr of UCLA. Monster year and only the first year he has ever played defense. But none of these guys gives you the value or the insurance as T'eo does.

    As for OT you would be wasting that pick. Steelers have 3 OT's in the mix for next year (Starks, Gilbert, and Adams). Why add another?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dee Dub View Post
    So you would take Jordan and Mingo and their not so great 2012 college seasons? Wow. Mingo really hasnt done much this year. 33 tackles with only 4 sacks and 5.5 TFL. I would think you would want more from that high of a pick. Jordan has been better but he had a down year compared to 2011. If I were to do this based on up-side I'd rather they use that pick on Anthony Barr of UCLA. Monster year and only the first year he has ever played defense. But none of these guys gives you the value or the insurance as T'eo does.

    As for OT you would be wasting that pick. Steelers have 3 OT's in the mix for next year (Starks, Gilbert, and Adams). Why add another?
    Neither Starks, Gilbert, or Adams will be as good as Mathews. We still need more talent on the O-line.

    Mingo/Jordan are highly explosive players. Jordan is on the rise. Both of them have the great potential to be Jean Pierre-Paul type players. I would take that potential over Te'o at 10 or 11 any day.

    ILB'ers can be found in the second round all day long and can come in and start. Players like Mingo and Jordan aren't found in the 2nd round.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRob View Post
    Are you telling me a top OT talent wouldn't change the Steelers offensive performance big time? Having another top CB would have certainly helped us to beat the Cowboys.

    Have you seen our pass rush this year? The Panthers are winning simply because Newton is back to performing like Superman.
    Those guys would help just like Kuechly helps the Panthers get off the field more often so Newton can be superman. The guy had 16 tackles in the win over ATL. The Panthers aren't winning in shootouts... they went from 28th last year up to 10th this year in total D.

    That's called improvement... you can't blame Kuechly because Newton is finally playing like superman again.

    Not sure how you dismiss change on the Panthers based on wins and losses while ignoring improvements in defensive stats.

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