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    Quote Originally Posted by RuthlessBurgher View Post
    You are correct, Chadman, Wallace is still our best WR.

    Wallace has 63 catches for 823 yards and 8 TD's and he is despised by fans.
    Meanwhile, Heath Miller has 68 catches for 771 yards and 8 TD's and he's beloved.

    For how dysfunctional our offense has looked this of late, I would hate to see how much worse it would get if subtracted Wallace's production (not to mention his tendency to draw extra coverage his way which opens up opportunities for others), and we were left with just Brown and Sanders as starters (particularly with their propensity for coughing the ball up lately).

    Consider the combined production of Brown and Sanders this year...100 catches for 1253 yards and 4 TD's...in 25 combined games played. Wallace's best season by himself...in 16 games...was 60 catches for 1257 yards and 10 TD's. Even with Brown finally catching TD's in back-to-back games in the last 2 weeks, Wallace still, in a down year for him statistically, in an offense which does not suit his talents to a 'T', and without any OTA's, minicamps, or training camps, he still has twice as many TD catches this season as Brown and Sanders combined.
    Thanks for making this point. Wallace is a quality player and I'm hopeful to keep him. I don't know what "breaking the bank" means for him, but he should be paid like the Steelers best WR because he is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RuthlessBurgher View Post
    It's a little weird in here sometimes, but nowhere close to the funhouse that is the inner workings of flippy's mind.
    To be fair, Flippy is nuttier than a Snickers.
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    Wallace is a 2A and Brown a 2B....we have no #1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Pittsburgh View Post
    Wallace is a 2A and Brown a 2B....we have no #1.
    What do you mean by a #1? He's the Steelers best WR, so wouldn't that make him #1?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sugar View Post
    What do you mean by a #1? He's the Steelers best WR, so wouldn't that make him #1?
    Makes him OUR #1 but he couldn't hold most other teams #1's jocks. There is a bakers dozen better WR in the NFL I would take over him but he wants to hold out for their level money....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Pittsburgh View Post
    Wallace is a 2A and Brown a 2B....we have no #1.
    You are right- Wallace isn't a 'complete' WR. He has flaws. But he's easily the most damaging WR on this team, and certainly one of the most dangerous in the NFL. He's not an Andre Johnson, he's not that type of player. And he's not Hines Ward either- not that sort of player either.

    This team will be worse off without him- unless they are forced to replace him through the draft. He's not irreplaceable. But on a team that is currently going through a shift from old-to-new, the fewer 'forced' changes, the better. If they have Wallace, Brown & Sanders- they don't 'need' to get a high round WR. They can focus on a new NT, or OLB, or SS/FS... or LG, LT...

    But if they lose Wallace- they'll need to replace Wallace.

    So what's his 'worth' to the Steelers, if losing him means having to replace him & putting another position's priority back a year?
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    if there are a bakers dozen WRs better than mike wallace, I don't want to know how many there are thats better than AB.

    you know, the guy who is actually getting paid big money this season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Pittsburgh View Post
    Makes him OUR #1 but he couldn't hold most other teams #1's jocks. There is a bakers dozen better WR in the NFL I would take over him but he wants to hold out for their level money....
    Here's your baker's dozen (the top 13 wideouts with the most receiving yards this season):

    1 Calvin Johnson DET WR 106 1,667 15.7 119.1 53 5 32 4 79 74.5 2
    2 Brandon Marshall CHI WR 107 1,398 13.1 99.9 56 10 17 2 70 65.4 2
    3 Andre Johnson HOU WR 93 1,360 14.6 97.1 60T 4 20 5 68 73.1 0
    4 Reggie Wayne IND WR 97 1,234 12.7 88.1 30T 4 21 0 65 67.0 1
    5 Vincent Jackson TB WR 62 1,226 19.8 87.6 95 8 22 5 54 87.1 0
    6 Demaryius Thomas DEN WR 78 1,210 15.5 86.4 71T 8 23 5 50 64.1 3
    7 A.J. Green CIN WR 85 1,208 14.2 86.3 73T 11 14 7 56 65.9 1
    8 Wes Welker NE WR 100 1,172 11.7 83.7 59 4 10 2 60 60.0 2
    9 Roddy White ATL WR 79 1,156 14.6 82.6 59 5 16 3 64 81.0 1
    10 Dez Bryant DAL WR 79 1,087 13.8 77.6 85T 10 14 3 44 55.7 2
    11 Julio Jones ATL WR 69 1,071 15.5 76.5 80T 9 16 5 49 71.0 0
    12 Steve Smith CAR WR 66 1,056 16.0 75.4 66 3 14 3 47 71.2 0
    13 Victor Cruz NYG WR 79 1,019 12.9 72.8 80T 9 11 3 49 62.0 0

    Calvin is from another planet, and there some up-and-comers there who have talent oozing from their pores like A.J. Green and Julio Jones...complete package types (which Wallace will never be...guys like that just seem to be a whole other species sometimes). There are a few on that list I wouldn't put ahead of Wallace right now strictly because of age (Reggie Wayne and Steve Smith, for instance, are still performing right now, but they're on the back nine and headed for Hines Wardville in a few seasons...also, Andre Johnson is a beast and Wes Welker is a pass-catching machine, but how many more elite-level years do they have in the tank?...that's up for debate). Interesting conversation, though.

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    One question I have is are most of our players mentally handicapped or do our position coaches suck? Have Brown, Wallace, Sanders, Mendenhall gotten better at anything over the past 3 years? Mendenhall still carries the rock a foot from his body. Our WR still run terrible routes and haven't seemed to have improved with catching with their hands or holding onto the ball. I almost spit a drink out when I saw Wallace catch that ball with his hands even though his body control sucks and he was out of bounds and it looks like Brown needs sneezed on to fumble....

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    Quote Originally Posted by RuthlessBurgher View Post
    Here's your baker's dozen (the top 13 wideouts with the most receiving yards this season):

    1 Calvin Johnson DET WR 106 1,667 15.7 119.1 53 5 32 4 79 74.5 2
    2 Brandon Marshall CHI WR 107 1,398 13.1 99.9 56 10 17 2 70 65.4 2
    3 Andre Johnson HOU WR 93 1,360 14.6 97.1 60T 4 20 5 68 73.1 0
    4 Reggie Wayne IND WR 97 1,234 12.7 88.1 30T 4 21 0 65 67.0 1
    5 Vincent Jackson TB WR 62 1,226 19.8 87.6 95 8 22 5 54 87.1 0
    6 Demaryius Thomas DEN WR 78 1,210 15.5 86.4 71T 8 23 5 50 64.1 3
    7 A.J. Green CIN WR 85 1,208 14.2 86.3 73T 11 14 7 56 65.9 1
    8 Wes Welker NE WR 100 1,172 11.7 83.7 59 4 10 2 60 60.0 2
    9 Roddy White ATL WR 79 1,156 14.6 82.6 59 5 16 3 64 81.0 1
    10 Dez Bryant DAL WR 79 1,087 13.8 77.6 85T 10 14 3 44 55.7 2
    11 Julio Jones ATL WR 69 1,071 15.5 76.5 80T 9 16 5 49 71.0 0
    12 Steve Smith CAR WR 66 1,056 16.0 75.4 66 3 14 3 47 71.2 0
    13 Victor Cruz NYG WR 79 1,019 12.9 72.8 80T 9 11 3 49 62.0 0

    Calvin is from another planet, and there some up-and-comers there who have talent oozing from their pores like A.J. Green and Julio Jones...complete package types (which Wallace will never be...guys like that just seem to be a whole other species sometimes). There are a few on that list I wouldn't put ahead of Wallace right now strictly because of age (Reggie Wayne and Steve Smith, for instance, are still performing right now, but they're on the back nine and headed for Hines Wardville in a few seasons...also, Andre Johnson is a beast and Wes Welker is a pass-catching machine, but how many more elite-level years do they have in the tank?...that's up for debate). Interesting conversation, though.
    There are others on terrible teams with piss poor QB's as well.

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