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    Quote Originally Posted by lloydroid View Post
    Completely untrue. Over 90% of all humans need managed to get them to maximum production. If not, why do managers and coaches even exist. Have you ever managed a staff? What would happen if you quit managing them? Would they continue to provide the same level and quality of work? Of course not. All this talk of "players should prepare themselves" is pure fiction. It smacks against all human history. It's akin to saying water is made out of fire. Head coaches make a difference, and had they not, why do we bother to keep the win-loss records of head coaches? Because it matters, and if a team is coming in not prepared to play, it is major FAIL by the head coach, period. I don't know what fantasy land you guys live in.
    There are around 2,000 NFL players out of the 300,000,000 people in the United States. That is well within the 10% that dont need to be managed even if you add all the other pro sports in this country. Part of the point of being a professional is that you have the intrinsic motivation to prepare yourself. When you are an adult you shouldnt need someone there telling you to do things. Add into that the millions of dollars these guys get paid, plus the bonus' for performance. that should be enough

    A head coach in pro sports is there to make team decisions, prepare game plans so the players can PREPARE TO PLAY. If each guy shows up and does his job they will win. Tomlin shouldnt have to sit there and baby these guys to make sure they do what they are getting paid to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steel Life View Post
    Really? You obviously have chosen to ignore how Rooneys operate...stop trying to create controversy - or a topic.
    Rooneys were lucky in hiring Noll and Cowher. That doesn't mean they got lucky with this hire. If the players really were "not prepared to play" then they got to get a new coach. Period. End of story. And Tomlin's game day decisions have been God awful. Can't allow that to continue. A change must be made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by focosteeler View Post
    There are around 2,000 NFL players out of the 300,000,000 people in the United States. That is well within the 10% that dont need to be managed even if you add all the other pro sports in this country. Part of the point of being a professional is that you have the intrinsic motivation to prepare yourself. When you are an adult you shouldnt need someone there telling you to do things. Add into that the millions of dollars these guys get paid, plus the bonus' for performance. that should be enough

    A head coach in pro sports is there to make team decisions, prepare game plans so the players can PREPARE TO PLAY. If each guy shows up and does his job they will win. Tomlin shouldnt have to sit there and baby these guys to make sure they do what they are getting paid to do.
    This is a naive take. So, somehow, football players are different than all of human beings, in terms of needing to be managed for maximum production? This is a whacked out claim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lloydroid View Post
    Rooneys were lucky in hiring Noll and Cowher. That doesn't mean they got lucky with this hire. If the players really were "not prepared to play" then they got to get a new coach. Period. End of story. And Tomlin's game day decisions have been God awful. Can't allow that to continue. A change must be made.
    Are you saying that Tomlin was the coach players wanted to play for most in the NFL because he lets them off easy? That is really validated by his two Superbowl appearances.

    Aren't you supposed to be in school today? Is it a snow day?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRob View Post
    Are you saying that Tomlin was the coach players wanted to play for most in the NFL because he lets them off easy? That is really validated by his two Superbowl appearances.

    Aren't you supposed to be in school today? Is it a snow day?
    Attempted 3rd-grade level ridicule so noted. Tomlin walked into a situation where he had veteran player leadership; the players were the enforcers. Now, as he loses those leaders, one by one (Hines, Aaron Smith, Farrior, Hoke), his weaknesses are rearing their ugly heads. His poor game day decisions are becoming glaring and formidable. And, now, in addition to those foibles, he is getting exposed for poor preparation, by his very own players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lloydroid View Post
    Unrealistic when viewed in terms of the history of mankind.
    That was neither the question nor the point...

    However, it is just as unrealistic to view these men who are paid a king's ransom to play a child's game as incapable of self-actuating...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slapstick View Post
    That was neither the question nor the point...

    However, it is just as unrealistic to view these men who are paid a king's ransom to play a child's game as incapable of self-actuating...
    What about salespeople who make a ton of change? Why do they still need sales managers? Football players are just people too. All the same human nature rules apply. Wake up, please. Be well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lloydroid View Post
    What about salespeople who make a ton of change? Why do they still need sales managers? Football players are just people too. All the same human nature rules apply. Wake up, please. Be well.
    Please. Have you every actually worked in sales? Or with commissioned sales reps?

    Sales Managers act as, pardon the expression, coaches. The managers set goals and offer advice and help, but the sales people are the ones who have to get up every morning and carry the bag...

    "Wake up" indeed. If you are awake than I must have insomnia...

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    Quote Originally Posted by lloydroid View Post
    This is a naive take. So, somehow, football players are different than all of human beings, in terms of needing to be managed for maximum production? This is a whacked out claim.

    It is ridiculous that you think professional athletes need to be managed to the point that a coach needs to help motivate them to play and prepare for what they get paid to do. A coach can help motivate and help prepare at the lower levels in high school and college when they have school first and sports is second. But a professional athlete has a job to do, the one they get paid for. A coach should not have to be responsible for them mentally showing up and preparing for their job.
    And yes I do believe that PROFESSIONAL football players are different, they can have position coaches that teach technique and knowledge but the rest, preparation and motivation rests solely with the player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lloydroid View Post
    Attempted 3rd-grade level ridicule so noted. Tomlin walked into a situation where he had veteran player leadership; the players were the enforcers. Now, as he loses those leaders, one by one (Hines, Aaron Smith, Farrior, Hoke), his weaknesses are rearing their ugly heads. His poor game day decisions are becoming glaring and formidable. And, now, in addition to those foibles, he is getting exposed for poor preparation, by his very own players.
    Right, grown men have no responsibility to prepare for a game where they get paid millions. This isn't like your high school football team where the coach has to motivate you and your friends to play every Friday night.

    Even if you wanted to buy into this argument of it being "Cowher's players", Tomlin did more with them in 5 years than Cowher did with his.

    Cowher made more than his fair share of poor game day decisions, but that was before you were born so you wouldn't remember.

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