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    Quote Originally Posted by BradshawsHairdresser View Post
    Wrong! "Prior to enactment of the law, Kennesaw had a population of just 5,242 but a crime rate significantly higher (4,332 per 100,000) than the national average (3,899 per 100,000)." Not my definition of a "pretty decent town."



    BIG time. By the year 2005, the crime rate had fallen to 2,027 per 100,000. All that while the population of the area had increased from 5,242 to 28,189.

    "By comparison, the population of Morton Grove, the first city in Illinois to adopt a gun ban for anyone other than police officers, has actually dropped slightly and stands at 22,202, according to 2005 statistics. More significantly, perhaps, the city’s crime rate increased by 15.7 percent immediately after the gun ban, even though the overall crime rate in Cook County rose only 3 percent."

    Since the Kennesaw ordinance was passed (as of 2007), "despite predictions of 'Wild West' showdowns and increased violence and accidents, 'not a SINGLE resident has been involved in a fatal shooting – as a victim, attacker or defender."


    But we don't have to just go on statistics from a few American towns. In Switzerland, every household must have, by law, a fully automatic machine gun and ammunition. Guess what? The crime rate is very low there.



    (quotes from article at http://www.wnd.com/2007/04/41196/)
    "pretty decent town" needed to be considered with the rest of that sentence. I live in the north Atlanta suburbs, and around Atlanta, that's about as good as you can get. Maybe in the early 80's it wasn't one of the better regions near Atlanta to live...I wouldn't know, I wasn't born yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slapstick View Post
    I agree.

    The problem is, if someone really doesn't want to murder someone and they lose composure for even a second, the ease with which
    it is done becomes extremely relevant...

    With a firearm, it becomes very easy to solve a temporary problem very permanently and very horribly...


    I thought I was the only one who never felt the need to shoot anything or be shot by someone. Slapstick, you and I should hang out and not accidentally shoot each other.

    But if for some reason we have a disagreement and you want to throw down in fisticuffs, I've got Jack Johnson and Tom O'Leary waiting for you.

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    I'm not anti gun but I agree with those who say it's much easier to kill with a gun than it is with a knife, bat or by hand. Americans love their guns... a little too much IMO. LOL....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slapstick View Post
    Unless he misses and hits someone else, in which case the shooter takes cover and it turns into the OK Corral...
    Not likely.

    Not many scenarios where the Virginia Tech and Batman Movie massacres turn out worse then they did if a bystander has a firearm and tries to take out the shooter. But there's a very good chance they turn out better than they did.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jigawatts
    I thought I was the only one who never felt the need to shoot anything or be shot by someone.
    For the record, I've never felt the need to shoot (or be shot by) any other person. I don't sleep with a gun under my pillow. I don't live expecting to use a gun as a first resort, or even hoping to have to use it as a last resort. I believe that, along with gun ownership, comes the responsibility to be educated in the proper safe use and handling of firearms. I've only ever fired a gun at targets and animals, when hunting.


    February 16, 2012

    Study: Gun Owners Prevent Crime - 12


    by John Haughey
    A Cato Institute white paper states that "tens of thousands of crimes" are prevented each year in the United States by legally armed citizens exercising their Second Amendment right to self-defense.
    The 58-page study, "Tough Targets: When Criminals Face Armed Resistance from Citizens," was released in early February. In it, authors Clayton Cramer and David Burnett analyzed news articles recounting the defensive use of firearms over an eight-year span.
    According to the study's findings, in the vast majority of self-defense cases, the gun is never fired--its presence in the hands of a would-be victim or witness resulted in thwarting a crime or detaining criminals until they were taken into custody by law enforcement.
    Tim Lynch, director of Cato's Project on Criminal Justice, writes that among the study's significant conclusions is the statistical confirmation that, "The defensive use of guns happens much more often than most people realize," and, "Each year gun owners prevent a great deal of criminal mayhem murders, rapes, batteries, and robberies."
    For more, go to:
    -- New Cato Study: Tough Targets
    -- Self-defense report cheered by Second Amendment advocates
    -- Guns and Self Defense
    -- Counting the Defensive Use of Firearms
    -- When Criminals Face Armed Resistance from Citizens
    -- 58-page white paper

    http://www.outdoorlife.com/blogs/gun...-prevent-crime
    Last edited by BradshawsHairdresser; 12-06-2012 at 01:10 PM.

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    BTW, in that Cato Institute report, there are many specific examples given of how guns are used to deter crime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D Rock View Post
    "pretty decent town" needed to be considered with the rest of that sentence. I live in the north Atlanta suburbs, and around Atlanta, that's about as good as you can get. Maybe in the early 80's it wasn't one of the better regions near Atlanta to live...I wouldn't know, I wasn't born yet.
    Well, that's kind of my point...it's now a "pretty decent town"...due at least in part to the gun ownership law. I mean, otherwise, you don't expect the crime rate to drop that dramatically, and stay low, in a town that close to Atlanta that has grown more than 500% larger since the law was passed.
    Last edited by BradshawsHairdresser; 12-06-2012 at 01:29 PM.

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    The Cato Institute is a conservative think tank with a pro-gun agenda (among other agendas)...

    I'm not impressed...I would prefer to peruse the study of a non-political entity...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BradshawsHairdresser View Post
    Well, that's kind of my point...it's now a "pretty decent town"...due at least in part to the gun ownership law. I mean, otherwise, you don't expect the crime rate to drop that dramatically, and stay low, in a town that close to Atlanta that has grown more than 500% larger since the law was passed.
    I wasn't referring to Kennesaw specifically in my original post, but more so the generalized area which Kennesaw is only a part of.

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    How many crappy drivers and road rage incidents will it take to finally outlaw cars. You even hear of people drinking and doing drugs and then driving and causing accidents that kill innocent people.

    If they would just outlaw cars things would be so much safer and we would have far less deaths.

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