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    The injury to Ben has nothing to do with Haley's scheme. It was a fluke. My only complaint about letting BA go is that we did it too late.

    Don't be surprised if Wallace goes to Indy. His agent may already be talking to them.

    One more thing: I used to think that Wallace was irreplacable. I no longer think that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oviedo View Post
    You keep characterizing anyone who isn't falling over themselves to pay Wallace whatever he wants as "kicking him to the curb"
    Well, there were posters on here wishing injury on the guy a few short days ago.


    The Rams' offense featuring weapons such as Marshall Faulk, Torrey Holt, and Isaac Bruce were known as "The Greatest Show on Turf"

    The Steelers' offense featuring weapons such as Le'Veon Bell and Martavis Bryant should be known as "The Greatest Show on Grass"

    This has nothing at all to do with respective playing surfaces at the Edward Jones Dome vs. Heinz Field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oviedo View Post
    I would tend to agree with that which is why I said there may have only been one $8M contract for a WR. We are going to have to cut a lot of veteran players to clear space to sign Wallace for even $9M per year. That would likely mean saying goodbye to Harrison, Foote, Kiesel and maybe even Troy given some of that savings in cap space will have to be used to tender our RFAs and other player we want like Lewis, Pouncey, etc.
    Is it worth sacrificing the likes of Hampton, Foote, Keisel, and maybe even Harrison and Troy in order to work out long term deals with guys like Lewis, Pouncey, and Wallace? Although it's painful to lose integral parts of multiple championship teams (just like it was difficult parting with the likes of Hines, Potsie, Aaron, and Hokie a year ago), each of those guys may have a year or two of tread left on their tires, while we could have a decade or more of production from those younger guys.


    The Rams' offense featuring weapons such as Marshall Faulk, Torrey Holt, and Isaac Bruce were known as "The Greatest Show on Turf"

    The Steelers' offense featuring weapons such as Le'Veon Bell and Martavis Bryant should be known as "The Greatest Show on Grass"

    This has nothing at all to do with respective playing surfaces at the Edward Jones Dome vs. Heinz Field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RuthlessBurgher View Post
    Is it worth sacrificing the likes of Hampton, Foote, Keisel, and maybe even Harrison and Troy in order to work out long term deals with guys like Lewis, Pouncey, and Wallace? Although it's painful to lose integral parts of multiple championship teams (just like it was difficult parting with the likes of Hines, Potsie, Aaron, and Hokie a year ago), each of those guys may have a year or two of tread left on their tires, while we could have a decade or more of production from those younger guys.
    As I'm sure you well know, you don't have to sell me on the vurtue of getting younger players time on the field. It is the only way we can see what they can do and make informed decisions about keeping them or going in another direction.

    I'd love for us to keep Wallace at the right price because I think we are going to need to score lots of points as we cut lose the old stalwarts from the defense that have big doallar contracts and poor performance on the field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oviedo View Post
    As I'm sure you well know, you don't have to sell me on the vurtue of getting younger players time on the field. It is the only way we can see what they can do and make informed decisions about keeping them or going in another direction.

    I'd love for us to keep Wallace at the right price because I think we are going to need to score lots of points as we cut lose the old stalwarts from the defense that have big doallar contracts and poor performance on the field.
    If you think the old stalwarts are performing poorly on the field, why do you think we will struggle more after getting rid of poor performers? Wouldn't eliminating poor performers improve performance?


    The Rams' offense featuring weapons such as Marshall Faulk, Torrey Holt, and Isaac Bruce were known as "The Greatest Show on Turf"

    The Steelers' offense featuring weapons such as Le'Veon Bell and Martavis Bryant should be known as "The Greatest Show on Grass"

    This has nothing at all to do with respective playing surfaces at the Edward Jones Dome vs. Heinz Field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelblood View Post
    I say franchise him and negotiate briefly. If he won't sign long term for a reasonable amount (and I know he likely won't), trade him for a 2nd rounder. If we can't get that (and I'd think we would), trade him for a package of middle round picks (like a 3rd, 4th, and a 5th).
    The one year franchise number isn't any easier to fit under the cap than the 8-9 million per year contract people are kicking around. For Mike Wallace to remain a Steelers regardless of his propensity to do so the Steelers are going to have to shed a lot of salary, renegotiate a lot of contracts, or have veteran players play for a lot less than they are currently due.

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    Quote Originally Posted by feltdizz View Post
    playing devils advocate...

    I wonder if letting Arians go was a mistake. Ben has taken less hits but he is still hurt (the worst on field injury of his career IMO) and our big plays aren't so big anymore.

    Don't get me wrong... the offense is more efficient but we aren't scoring more or crushing teams this year like most expected. Injuries play a part but we were often injured with Arians as well.
    It may or may not have been a mistake that's debatable, but what isn't debatable is the fact that in general the offense is still a middle of the road offense, it only took a different route to get to the middle of the pack than last year. Any team that has Haley or Arians is getting a highly qualified NFL offensive coordinator.

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    2.58 ) Sean Davis - S/CB, Maryland (Deion Jones)
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    4.123) Jerald Hawkins - OT, LSU (Deandre Houston-Carson)
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    7.227) Demarcus Ayers - WR, Hou (Graham Glasgow)
    7.246) Tyler Matakevich - OLB, Temple (Travis Feeney)


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    Quote Originally Posted by RuthlessBurgher View Post
    Well, there were posters on here wishing injury on the guy a few short days ago.
    yup, and i still do

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    Quote Originally Posted by squidkid View Post
    yup, and i still do
    just curious, why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by squidkid View Post
    yup, and i still do

    Unless you want to solidify our picking in the first 15 picks of next years draft, that makes no sense whatsoever. We still have a hope to make the play offs so while I think Wallace has been an idiot throughout this contract process, I'm all for using Mike Wallace up as much as we can. Can't do that if he is on the sideline in a sweatsuit.

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