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    I think the Steelers just don't want to cut their losses and admit they were actually wrong on a first round pick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn View Post
    I think the Steelers just don't want to cut their losses and admit they were actually wrong on a first round pick.
    That's sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BradshawsHairdresser View Post
    Ziggy wouldn't be a starting DE on any other 3-4 team in the league.
    if Heyward plays well enough to keep the starting job Ziggy may not be one any longer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hawaiiansteel View Post
    if Heyward plays well enough to keep the starting job Ziggy may not be one any longer.
    I have often wondered if he wouldn't play better by subbing in on passing downs and just letting him get after the passer instead of two gapping and wearing down all game.

    Similar to how the Ravens use Mcphee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRob View Post
    I have often wondered if he wouldn't play better by subbing in on passing downs and just letting him get after the passer instead of two gapping and wearing down all game.

    Similar to how the Ravens use Mcphee.
    Ziggy would do much better on a 4-3 team where he only had one gap responsibilities.

    unfortunately to Ovi's chagrin, that's not how LeBeau's defense is designed. DEs in our system are rarely given the freedom to just go after the passer...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BradshawsHairdresser View Post
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    Ziggy wouldn't be a starting DE on any other 3-4 team in the league.
    A dozen teams play the 3-4. Here are the starting DE's for the other 11:

    Arizona: Calais Campbell & Darnell Dockett
    Baltimore: Pernell McPhee & Haloti Ngata
    Dallas: Marcus Spears & Jason Hatcher
    Green Bay: Ryan Pickett & C.J. Wilson
    Houston: J.J. Watt & Antonio Smith
    Kansas City: Tyson Jackson & Ropati Pitoitua
    Indianapolis: Cory Redding & Fili Moala
    New York: Muhammad Wilkerson & Mike DeVito
    San Diego: Corey Liuget & Vaughn Martin
    San Francisco: Ray McDonald & Justin Smith
    Washington: Jarvis Jenkins & Stephen Bowen

    While there are some excellent players on that list like J.J. Watt, Haloti Ngata, Justin Smith, Calais Campbell, etc. there are also a lot of total "blah" players as well.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RuthlessBurgher View Post
    A dozen teams play the 3-4. Here are the starting DE's for the other 11:

    Arizona: Calais Campbell & Darnell Dockett
    Baltimore: Pernell McPhee & Haloti Ngata
    Dallas: Marcus Spears & Jason Hatcher
    Green Bay: Ryan Pickett & C.J. Wilson
    Houston: J.J. Watt & Antonio Smith
    Kansas City: Tyson Jackson & Ropati Pitoitua
    Indianapolis: Cory Redding & Fili Moala
    New York: Muhammad Wilkerson & Mike DeVito
    San Diego: Corey Liuget & Vaughn Martin
    San Francisco: Ray McDonald & Justin Smith
    Washington: Jarvis Jenkins & Stephen Bowen

    While there are some excellent players on that list like J.J. Watt, Haloti Ngata, Justin Smith, Calais Campbell, etc. there are also a lot of total "blah" players as well.
    Yet Hood is consistently rated the worst 3-4 end in the league by PFF. That's based on his gap protection and pushing the pocket on passing downs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn View Post
    I think the Steelers just don't want to cut their losses and admit they were actually wrong on a first round pick.
    Didn't stop them cutting Jamain Strephens or Troy Edwards or Huey Richardson. Hood just isn't as bad as everyone wants to protray him as.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RuthlessBurgher View Post
    A dozen teams play the 3-4. Here are the starting DE's for the other 11:

    Arizona: Calais Campbell & Darnell Dockett
    Baltimore: Pernell McPhee & Haloti Ngata
    Dallas: Marcus Spears & Jason Hatcher
    Green Bay: Ryan Pickett & C.J. Wilson
    Houston: J.J. Watt & Antonio Smith
    Kansas City: Tyson Jackson & Ropati Pitoitua
    Indianapolis: Cory Redding & Fili Moala
    New York: Muhammad Wilkerson & Mike DeVito
    San Diego: Corey Liuget & Vaughn Martin
    San Francisco: Ray McDonald & Justin Smith
    Washington: Jarvis Jenkins & Stephen Bowen

    While there are some excellent players on that list like J.J. Watt, Haloti Ngata, Justin Smith, Calais Campbell, etc. there are also a lot of total "blah" players as well.
    Maybe it is because the best on this list are not asked to do what we ask our DEs to do. Watt and Smith are clearly turned loose to go after the passer and not maintain gap integrity. Could probably say the same for Ngata and Campbell too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oviedo View Post
    Maybe it is because the best on this list are not asked to do what we ask our DEs to do. Watt and Smith are clearly turned loose to go after the passer and not maintain gap integrity. Could probably say the same for Ngata and Campbell too.
    You really think this is Hood's issue? I just don't think he's that good. period.

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