People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. George Orwell
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Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you 1. Jesus Christ, 2.The American G.I., One died for your soul, the other for your freedom.
In general, wealthy kids don't end up in the military. Their parents can afford to send them to college.
The majority of the military kids come from the middle class. It's a good option for them to build skills, get money for college, get a job, and learn life skills. The middle class can't afford anything these days.
I know a lot of guys that joined because it was their best option, not out of some sense of duty. Military recruiters are like Pimps. They over promise the world and take advantage of a lot of young kids.
Then these young innocent kids come home from wars having gone through things no human should have to experience. And many of them are ruined for it. Why, often just because their parents weren't wealthy.
The choices people get forced into making suck. From people sucked into the military to coal mines and any number of dangerous situations.
Last edited by lloydroid; 11-11-2012 at 02:33 PM.
Gee, I don't know. How about Iraq? They were no threat to us. The people there are worse off than they were with Saddam. They told us we had to invade there because they were a threat. That was a lie. We were told we should invade there because we would be delivering a better life to the people there. That was a complete lie. Before we invaded 20% lived in poverty. Today, 50% live in poverty. We have screwed that country and it's people over and those who so sought that war knew it all along. Afghanistan? WTF are we doing there? What good have we done? NONE.Make you honor the troops?
Now here we are as the invading aggressors?
WTF are you talking about?
I just told you and the new, unjust war is coming up in Iran. They pose no threat. They don't even have a nuke weapon program at all, and even if we did, who are we to say they aren't allowed to have one? We, of over 8,000 nukes are lecturing others about having nukes? We, who say we need to keep the region "balanced" but allowed/created Israel's 200 plus nukes? Is that what we call "balanced?" That's hardly balanced, it's the opposite.How dare you allow your ill-informed political views to stain the honor we pay to those who have served. We all have the right to question the motives and logic in sending our troops into harms' way, but what friggin' injust war are you talking about?
Why wouldn't any thinking person bring it up? The people are still suffering mightily today, both Iraqis and Americans. If you don't remember history you are failed to repeat it. What? You think the appropriate thing would be to forget that the immoral war that killed 1 million - mostly innocent - people? That's how you think we should live? What is wrong with you. Do you have the ability to form logical thought?Iraq?
As a former soldier, I also condemn the invasion of Iraq. We used the attack on our soil as a cover for nefarious political agendas. There is no getting around that fact, but it was 9 friggin' years ago when that travesty was imposed on our military. Why would any honorable person bring that up?
If you choose to believe those fairly tales, be my guest, but you are living a lie. If that is OK with you, then go with it. I choose to actually form independent thought.Afghanistan?
A just deployment of our military forces if there ever was one. Bin Laden was harbored there and it was a breeding ground for those who would wage Jihad against us and the West.
I already explained that.Regardless of these campaigns or any other military action you may be referring to, the political decisions of our elected leaders bear no consequence on the tribute we pay to those who have served.
I will honor those who deserve it, but not everyone in the military qualifies. Unless you think we should pay homage to those who machine gun down little girls and old men in wheel chairs, or Marines who throw puppies of a cliff.I get that this is not a Steelers or NFL-related topic of discussion, but I felt compelled to respond here in an attempt to get you to reconsider your stance on this topic. Stand at attention, take your hat off and honor those who have put their life on the line to give you the life you have.
The vast, vast majority of troops serve our country honorably...for whatever their reasons for enlisting might be, that does not take anything away from the fact that they perform those duties...
Whether a war is determined by you to be unjust or not, that does not take anything away from the fact that they perform those duties...
are there men and women serving because they come from poverty and have/had no choice? I'm sure. My experience however is those are rare cases and as I said above, I can't recall a single instance over my entire career where someone admitted such circumstances as their reason for signing up.
of course, I was in the air force.
maybe you were talking about the army.........
(sorry, couldn't resist).