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    Quote Originally Posted by D Rock View Post
    Do you actually even read what I write
    No you bible thumping, baby killing warmonger, hypocrite

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    Quote Originally Posted by flippy View Post
    No you bible thumping, baby killing warmonger, hypocrite
    hahaha. I still love you. (But not in that djfan-fordfixer kinda way)

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    Quote Originally Posted by D Rock View Post
    I never said that, but you sure like to say those types of things for me. I believe that Jesus died for the sin of man, and I have accepted that gift and am thankful for it. That says nothing of my thoughts on other religions. I'd appreciate it if you didn't attempt to put words in my mouth.
    It's not about simply saying you believe in Jesus. It's about truly accepting Jesus into your heart and accepting the gift of his grace, and above all, respecting that gift. If you've never been there and done that, then you probably wont be able to know what that really means. It's a life changing experience in a way you can't comprehend unless you have done it. I know, because I have been on all sides of this debate.
    I guess you didn't say that directly, but it is more than implied here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lloydroid View Post
    I guess you didn't say that directly, but it is more than implied here.
    again...please don't try and say my words for me. I have implied nothing of the sort. I respect all religions and people's rights to choose them, or to choose no religion at all. My decisions are purely personal and I have no interest in pressing anyone into anything.

    The only thing I have tried to show is what I have learned about a relationship with Jesus. I honestly have no real opinion on the various routes to heaven, other religions, who is and isn't going to hell, etc. I truly believe I have found that path that is right for me and that is all I need to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D Rock View Post
    again...please don't try and say my words for me. I have implied nothing of the sort. I respect all religions and people's rights to choose them, or to choose no religion at all. My decisions are purely personal and I have no interest in pressing anyone into anything.

    The only thing I have tried to show is what I have learned about a relationship with Jesus. I honestly have no real opinion on the various routes to heaven, other religions, who is and isn't going to hell, etc. I truly believe I have found that path that is right for me and that is all I need to know.
    Hmm, so you disagree with those who feel it is the duty of Christians to spread the word on Christ? Most say that the only way to salvation is through Jesus, without exception. I guess you would disagree with those who assert that. As a matter of fact, the Bible itself tells us so.

    John 14:6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

    Acts 4:11-12 He is “‘the stone you builders rejected, which has become the capstone.’ Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.”

    Acts 16:30-31 He then brought them out and asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.”

    1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

    1 John 2:23 No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

    1 John 5:11-12 And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.

    Luke 10:16 He who listens to you listens to me; he who rejects you rejects me; but he who rejects me rejects him who sent me.

    Luke 12:8-9 I tell you, whoever acknowledges me before men, the Son of Man will also acknowledge him before the angels of God. But he who disowns me before men will be disowned before the angels of God.

    John 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

    John 3:36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on him.

    John 8:24 I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am the one I claim to be, you will indeed die in your sins.

    John 10:7-8 Therefore Jesus said again, “I tell you the truth, I am the gate for the sheep. All who ever came before me were thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not listen to them."
    So, do you pick and choose what you do believe is true in the Bible and what you do not feel is true? Just trying to figure out what your position truly is.

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    Seriously...I've already given you the answers to those questions.

    I put my relationship with Jesus above anything written in a book by unknown authors and edited numerous times throughout history by those in power for the sake of staying in power.

    So, do I pick and choose from the Bible? Nope...I don't use the Bible as anything but stories.

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    ..Neuroscientist Sees 'Proof of Heaven'

    By TERRY MORAN and MARY MARSH | ABC News – Wed, Oct 24, 2012 2:35 PM EDT
    ......ABC News - Neuroscientist Sees 'Proof of Heaven' (ABC News)

    It's dinnertime at the Alexander home, in Lynchburg, Va.
    Holley Alexander is serving chicken curry, 14-year-old Bond is hungry after soccer and the dad, Dr. Eben Alexander, leads the family in prayer.

    In this home, saying grace is different these days. This family has been touched by a medical miracle -- and maybe more.

    "It was impossible after impossible after impossible that all these things happened," Alexander said in an interview with "Nightline" co-anchor Terry Moran.

    Alexander, a Harvard neurosurgeon, nearly died four years ago when a ferocious E. coli meningitis infection attacked his brain and plunged him deep into a week-long coma. Brain scans showed his entire cortex -- the parts of the brain that give us consciousness, thought, memory and understanding -- was not functioning. Doctors gave him little chance to live and told his family that if he did survive he'd probably be brain-damaged for the rest of his life.

    "Nurses would come in, and they would pull his eyelids back, shine in the flashlight, and his eyes were just off and cocked," Holley Andersen said. "It's just like no one was there."

    Against all odds, Alexander woke up a week after being stricken. But he believes Holley was right: He wasn't there.

    Deep in coma, his brain infected so badly only the most primitive parts were working, Alexander claimed he experienced something extraordinary: a journey to Heaven.

    "In every sense, of the word that's what my experience showed me," Alexander said.

    "My first memories from when I was deep inside: I had no language, all my earthly memories were gone," he said. "I had no body awareness at all. I was just a speck of awareness in kind of a dark, murky environment, in roots or vessels or something. And I seemed to be there for a very long time -- I would say years.

    "I was rescued by this beautiful, spinning, white light that had a melody, an incredibly beautiful melody with it that opened up into a bright valley," he added, "an extremely verdant valley with blossoming flowers and a just incredible, rich, ultra-real world of indescribable complexity."

    Alexander said there was a young woman who soared across time and space with him on a butterfly wing and gave him a message to take back from Heaven.

    "She looked at me, and this was with no words, but the concepts came straight into mind: You are love; you are cherished; there's nothing you have to fear; there's nothing you can do wrong," he said.

    God was there as a vast presence of love, Alexander said, and Alexander understood God through an orb of brilliant light.

    "It was all of eternity and all of conscious existence," he said. "But it was this brilliant orb of light that was almost as necessary as a translator to bring in that message from the divine and the incredible."

    After he recovered, Alexander, who was adopted, was shown a picture by his biological family of a sister he had never met or seen before. He recognized the sister as the young woman from Heaven.

    "I looked up at that picture on my dresser that I had just got and I knew who my guardian angel was on the butterfly wing," he said. "It is the most profound experience I've ever had in this life."

    Of course, many would call Alexander's experience a hallucination -- but not him.

    "I know this is not a hallucination, not a dream, not what we call a confabulation," Alexander said. "I know that it really occurred, and it occurred outside of my brain."

    It was a near-death experience -- like those reported by thousands of others. But Alexander was determined to prove scientifically that it happened.

    In his new book, "Proof of Heaven," he raises and then strikes down various hypotheses on how his journey could not happen.

    Alexander said he is scientifically certain that his stricken brain could never have produced the images and ideas he experienced -- or remembered them.

    "If you would have asked me before my coma, How much will someone who is in coma for a week with a severe bacterial meningitis -- so severe that the sugar level ... around my brain, normally around 60-80 and in a bad meningitis maybe down to 20; in my case it went down to 1 -- to me, that's just one piece of evidence of how severe this was. If you'd ask me how much would that patient remember, I'd say nothing," he said. "They wouldn't remember a single thing. ...The severity of the meningitis would have prevented dreams, hallucinations, confabulations, because those things all require a fairly coordinated amount of cortex."

    Alexander isn't fazed at all by the skeptics. He was one, too.

    Now he has "proof of Heaven," he said.

    "For me, it's become clear that the best way to look at it is to turn it around and realize that consciousness exists in a much richer form, free and independent of the brain, which has everything to do with the eternity of our souls and the fact that our awareness, our consciousness, our soul, our spirit, does not depend on the existence of the brain in the physical universe. In fact, it's freed up to a much richer knowing when we're outside."
    http://gma.yahoo.com/heaven-real-saw...ws-health.html


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    Quote Originally Posted by D Rock View Post
    Seriously...I've already given you the answers to those questions.

    I put my relationship with Jesus above anything written in a book by unknown authors and edited numerous times throughout history by those in power for the sake of staying in power.

    So, do I pick and choose from the Bible? Nope...I don't use the Bible as anything but stories.
    Fair enough. I must have been confusing you with another poster.

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    I agree that there's your second problem. It's not about what's in the Bible. It's about what's in your heart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lloydroid View Post
    OK, so, using that model of thought, God also created cancer, AIDs, etc. Why would an all-loving God create those things?
    I always liked this quote.

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