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    Quote Originally Posted by feltdizz View Post
    bad luck? Ike's PI's have been blatant...
    There are a crapton of PIs that are just as blatant, but never flagged...and not just against the Steelers' WRs...

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    OK, then everyone explain why some coaches have low penalties while others have teams with the most?

    Pgh has more penalty yards than rushing yards. I don't care how you want to spin that - that is awful, non-winning football. But no, the head coach has nothing to do with it. As a matter of fact, no matter what problems the team has NONE of it is ever Tomlin's fault. He's only the head coach; it can't be his fault.

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    lets get this straight.

    coaches dont hold players accountable
    they dont motivate
    they arent responsible for players performance
    they arent responsible for players taking stupid penalties
    they dont do the drafting
    they arent responsible for offense
    they arent responsible for defense
    they arent responsible for challenge flags

    what do they get paid to do then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by squidkid View Post
    lets get this straight.

    coaches dont hold players accountable
    they dont motivate
    they arent responsible for players performance
    they arent responsible for players taking stupid penalties
    they dont do the drafting
    they arent responsible for offense
    they arent responsible for defense
    they arent responsible for challenge flags

    what do they get paid to do then?
    Not to mention, why even pay them good $? They are seemingly irrelevant to most every critical matter. Why even keep head coaching records? They aren't crucial to the outcomes of games, it would seem. I mean, Parcells, Jimmy Johnson, Chuck Noll, Bill Walsh, Belichick - why would you pay top $ for a position that seems irrelevant? How come when Sean Peyton was forced away from being the head coach in New Orleans, they started off 0-4? Face it, head coaches DO impact things like the # of penalties, execution of O, D, ST. True, NO coach can be very successful without talent, but really good head coaches can "beat yours with theirs, or theirs with yours." (I forget who said that.) Parcells was famous for knowing everything about every position, from QB, to how to hold your hands when receiving a kick. And he never stopped teaching or keeping you on your toes. There is a reason he improved teams greatly every where he went. Look what he did for NYG, Jets, Pats and Dallas (even with a meddling owner). Good coaches makes a huge difference and bad ones keep losing all the time. Coincidence? Watch Jeff Fisher with the Rams. When are the Pats ever out of it with Belichick?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lloydroid View Post
    Good coaches makes a huge difference and bad ones keep losing all the time.
    And, clearly, Tomlin has demonstrated over the last 5 seasons that he loses "all the time"...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slapstick View Post
    And, clearly, Tomlin has demonstrated over the last 5 seasons that he loses "all the time"...
    No, his winning percentage in past seasons is good. However, this is 2012 and the team is under performing and the same players are seemingly committing the same penalties over and over again. Just because Bill Cowher didn't hold anyone responsible according to the writer doesn't mean he wasn't doing something about it. False starts, neutral zone, uncovered tight ends, clutching and grabbing seemingly every play, blocks in the back the list of stupid penalties is endless this year,so much so, that the Steelers have more penalty yards than rushing yards. Really? That's an untenable situation for a team that believes they are a contender. Mike Tomlin is responsible for the everything the team does, he may not coach the offensive linemen, but he's responsible; he may not coach the defensive backs, but he's responsible, you get the idea.

    A lot of this should fall on his shoulders and I'm sure if you asked him, he'd accept that as the way it should be. You may not like the way the season is going and you may not like Mike tomlin, but one thing about him is that he doesn't back down from his responsibilities as the coach. I like him and believe he can get it turned around for the team, but it needs to start tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by papillon View Post
    No, his winning percentage in past seasons is good. However, this is 2012 and the team is under performing and the same players are seemingly committing the same penalties over and over again. Just because Bill Cowher didn't hold anyone responsible according to the writer doesn't mean he wasn't doing something about it. False starts, neutral zone, uncovered tight ends, clutching and grabbing seemingly every play, blocks in the back the list of stupid penalties is endless this year,so much so, that the Steelers have more penalty yards than rushing yards. Really? That's an untenable situation for a team that believes they are a contender. Mike Tomlin is responsible for the everything the team does, he may not coach the offensive linemen, but he's responsible; he may not coach the defensive backs, but he's responsible, you get the idea.

    A lot of this should fall on his shoulders and I'm sure if you asked him, he'd accept that as the way it should be. You may not like the way the season is going and you may not like Mike tomlin, but one thing about him is that he doesn't back down from his responsibilities as the coach. I like him and believe he can get it turned around for the team, but it needs to start tomorrow.

    Pappy
    So, why are we arguing about this?

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    The coaches getting a free pass for "on the field" lack of discipline is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

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