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    Quote Originally Posted by steeler_fan_in_t.o. View Post
    Football statistics are incredibly subjective. Stats don't take into account the following:

    Division - Each team plays 37.5% of their games against the three teams in their division. Each team also only plays against 13 of 31 teams, so schedule is a factor as well, but that tends to somewhat even out over the course of a career.
    Location - Come November, you have factors such as rain, snow, cold, and wind to deal with up north. Dome teams and warm weather teams do not face the same elements which are more conducive to putting up numbers.
    Your D - Does your D get you back on the field quickly allowing you to run more plays? A shorter field? Turnovers? Momentum?
    O line - Is there an NFL QB in history who would have failed in the position that Troy Aikman was in? How about anyone who could succeed in the position that David Carr was drafted into? Most others are in a situation in between.
    Your other skill players - What does a good RB do for a QB? How about a great WR? Daunte Culpepper was a stud when all he had to do was drop back and throw the ball up in the air anywhere in the direction of Randy Moss. Then there is always the TE safety valve that can really help sustain a drive on third down.

    Cohesion between every player, every unit, every aspect is more pronounced in football than any other sport. Therefore, using numbers as a definitive evaluator is completely flawed. JMO.
    Good post!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by stopplayn View Post
    Ben has won 2 SB's and played in 3. He is NO failure. However, he is inconsistent and EVERYONE in Steeler Nation said it was because of Bruce Arians. I for years defended Arians and said the problem was Ben and not Arians. I find it quite gratifying to see that Bruce is showing that HE was not the problem as he has left and had continued success.

    On the other hand we STILL have a sack issue, a lack of scoring issue and when we get in the redzone we have to settle for FGs. Thats is not happening in Indy
    Maybe it's just me, but it looks like Ben has more TD passes than Luck (10 vs. 7), fewer INT's than Luck (2 vs. 7), fewer sacks than Luck (10 vs. 13), a better completion percentage than Luck (64.6 vs. 53.4), more yards per pass than Luck (7.5 vs. 6.7), and a better passer rating than Luck (99.9 vs. 72.0).

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    Luck was rated the #1 qb AS A ROOKIE according to this article. Ben has a losing record while not playing a GOOD TEAM yet. Ben has a better team than Luck/Arians. Ben is a 9 year vet. Did I mention that Ben has a losing record and the only defenses he has played elite against are BAD defenses. Our next 8 out of 10 games will prove how much Ben has improved. I dont get all tingley over stats after 5 games vs inferrior talent. HE IS SUPPOSED to have good numbers vs bad teams. He has his whole career. However, vs elite teams he has horrible stats and thats why he is 10-4 in the playoff with 21 TDs and 18 INTs. Is that elite?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stopplayn View Post
    . I dont get all tingley over stats after 5 games vs inferrior talent. HE IS SUPPOSED to have good numbers vs bad teams. He has his whole career. However, vs elite teams he has horrible stats and thats why he is 10-4 in the playoff with 21 TDs and 18 INTs. Is that elite?

    Rank Quarterback Games Started Wins Losses Percent Ref
    1 Tom Brady 22 16 6 .727 [1]
    2 Joe Montana 23 16 7 .696 [2]
    3 Terry Bradshaw 19 14 5 .737 [3]
    4 John Elway 21 14 7 .667 [4]
    5 Brett Farve 24 13 11 .542 [5]
    6 Troy Aikman 15 11 4 .733 [6]
    7 Roger Staubach 17 11 6 .647
    8 Ben Roethlisberger 14 10 4 .714 [7]
    9 Bart Starr 10 9 1 .900 [8]
    10 Kurt Warner 13 9 4 .692
    11 Donovan McNabb 16 9 7 .563
    12 Jim Kelly 17 9 8 .529
    13 Peyton Manning 19 9 10 .474 [9]
    14 Jim Plunkett 10 8 2 .800 [10]
    15 Eli Manning 11 8 3 .727 [11]
    16 Steve Young 14 8 6 .571 [12]
    17 Dan Marino 18 8 10 .444 [13]
    18 Ken Stabler 12 7 5 .583
    19 T Joe Theisman 8 6 2 .750 [14]
    Johnny Unitas 8 6 2 .750
    21 Phil Simms 10 6 4 .600
    22 T Bob Griese 11 6 5 .546 [15]
    Fran Tarkenton 11 6 5 .546
    24 T Sid Luckman* 6 5 1 .833 [16]
    Trent Dilfer 6 5 1 .833 [17]
    26 Mark Rypien 7 5 2 .714 [18]
    27 T Jake Delhomme 8 5 3 .625
    Len Dawson 8 5 3 .625
    29 T Drew Brees 9 5 4 .556 [19]
    Joe Flacco 9 5 4 .556



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    Quote Originally Posted by stopplayn View Post
    When Ben starts playing elite consistently vs TOP DEFENSES then I will be his loudest fan. So far in 9 years he has not. Not many Quarterbacks have the luxury of posting a 24 qb rating and winning a SB. Or Posting a 33 rating and winning a game to go to one (Jets). Nor do many quarterbacks have the luxury of commiting 24 turnovers and winning a SB (0. Lastly, not many have the luxury of being 10-4 in the playoffs with 21 TDs and 18 INTs.

    not many teams have the luxury of a 2nd year QB posting over a 100 QB rating in 3 consecutive road playoffs games just to get to the superbowl either

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    Quote Originally Posted by NJ-STEELER View Post
    not many teams have the luxury of a 2nd year QB posting over a 100 QB rating in 3 consecutive road playoffs games just to get to the superbowl either
    You mean, in order to win the Super Bowl you have to get there first? What a concept!!!

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