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    Calling all D-line gurus

    Like most people, I spend most my time watching where the ball goes when I watch a game. I try to notice other elements of play, but I sill tend to just follow the ball, as most do. But I know some focus a bit more on seeing how the D-line is playing, and I wanted to know, from those who pay more attention to that element, if our DE's are playing well, particularly Hood and Heyward. I was looking forward to both of those guys really stepping up their play this season, with Hood, because he has become a work out animal and transformed his body, and Heyward, because usually a good player makes a big jump from rookie to 2nd year. It is especially hard to notice if they are playing well, because in our system, good DL play isn't usually predicated on sacks, etc, making it tougher to determine if they are playing well.

    So, what is the verdict? Are Hood and Heyward living up to their first-round pedigrees?

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    i would have to say that our dline performance would be based on the production of our lbs(so i have been told by the dline supporters)
    i wonder how our lbs rank stat-wise?

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    Last game the DL was getting good pressure. I'm not one to look at the trenches but I tried to last game.

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    On TV, it's easiest to watch the ball and sometimes hard to see what's happening on the lines and with the WRs. Anyone get the new packages from the NFL that allow you to watch the views the coaches get to see?

    From what I can see on tv, I don't see the guys up front getting a push. They're often getting moved and redirected. I think a lot is on Casey. He used to move the C/G back 3 yards. And that's when we got pressure. It gave the QB no where to step up and avoid pressure on the outside. Collapsing the middle of the pocket is key to this D getting consistent pressure. And it hasn't been happening regularly since the XL SuperBowl. I think that was his downside.

    If Casey can't get a push, it's easier to block everyone else on our Dline.

    Granted, I don't focus on the Dline on every play. But my general take is we're easy to push around.

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    OK, but what about when McClendon is in? It always seems like he is pushing people around up front.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lloydroid View Post
    OK, but what about when McClendon is in? It always seems like he is pushing people around up front.
    I thought McClendon looked good in the preseason against Philly and then last week against Philly. I think it has to do with their OLine.

    Other times I've seen him in the game, I've seen him getting blocked by 1 guy and controlled. That can't work in a 3-4. We need a beast of an NT. He seems better suited to be a 4-3 DT. I really like McClendon, but I think we're trying square peg, round hole a couple of these guys.

    Even Keisel's not perfect for the 3-4. People used to get on him when he became a starter to better control his gaps and play the run better without getting washed out. He's gotten stronger and is a solid 3-4 DE. But he had a freakish size/speed combo and he could really get after a QB when he was a 3rd down replacement for Kimo. I really think Keisel could have been the Levon Kirkland of 3-4 OLBs. But we bulked him up to control the gap better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flippy View Post
    I thought McClendon looked good in the preseason against Philly and then last week against Philly. I think it has to do with their OLine.

    Other times I've seen him in the game, I've seen him getting blocked by 1 guy and controlled. That can't work in a 3-4. We need a beast of an NT. He seems better suited to be a 4-3 DT. I really like McClendon, but I think we're trying square peg, round hole a couple of these guys.

    Even Keisel's not perfect for the 3-4. People used to get on him when he became a starter to better control his gaps and play the run better without getting washed out. He's gotten stronger and is a solid 3-4 DE. But he had a freakish size/speed combo and he could really get after a QB when he was a 3rd down replacement for Kimo. I really think Keisel could have been the Levon Kirkland of 3-4 OLBs. But we bulked him up to control the gap better.
    I agree with your assessment---all of our DL except for maybe Heyward (I think he could be an excellent 4-3 DE) are better suited for the 4-3. That is been my argument over the past couple of seasons. Hampton is washed up so essentially we don't have the critical NT you need in a 3-4 and they are very, very difficult to find. It is getting too hard to find guys who fit our 3-4 and then take the additional time to train them up (I would argue we "train out" what got them to the NFL). That is why we get to the point where we are forced to hang onto players who are near or past their "sell by" dates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oviedo View Post
    I agree with your assessment---all of our DL except for maybe Heyward (I think he could be an excellent 4-3 DE) are better suited for the 4-3. That is been my argument over the past couple of seasons. Hampton is washed up so essentially we don't have the critical NT you need in a 3-4 and they are very, very difficult to find. It is getting too hard to find guys who fit our 3-4 and then take the additional time to train them up (I would argue we "train out" what got them to the NFL). That is why we get to the point where we are forced to hang onto players who are near or past their "sell by" dates.
    The other problem is I wouldn't use a 1st round pick on DL given that we need to re-train. It seems the risk/reward is too high. Just draft a couple of these guys later in the draft and see who can make the transition in 3 or 4 years. Taking DL early in the draft seems like a reach in our system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flippy View Post
    The other problem is I wouldn't use a 1st round pick on DL given that we need to re-train. It seems the risk/reward is too high. Just draft a couple of these guys later in the draft and see who can make the transition in 3 or 4 years. Taking DL early in the draft seems like a reach in our system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flippy View Post
    Even Keisel's not perfect for the 3-4. People used to get on him when he became a starter to better control his gaps and play the run better without getting washed out. He's gotten stronger and is a solid 3-4 DE. But he had a freakish size/speed combo and he could really get after a QB when he was a 3rd down replacement for Kimo. I really think Keisel could have been the Levon Kirkland of 3-4 OLBs. But we bulked him up to control the gap better.
    I never get this stuff about BK.

    He had a grand total of 3 sacks during three years backing up Kimo.

    It aint just that the 3/4 is a bad fit. He was a 4/3 DE in college, and was no phenom there.
    I follow the Mountain West and WAC, and BYU for decades.
    BK was not a beast by ANY STRETCH. Dude was an "honorable mention" all MWC player ONCE.

    In other words there were SIX DEFENSIVE ENDS in the weak defense MWC better than BK.
    Two years as a starter and he get SEVEN sacks total in two seasons. He wasnt even the best DE on that team. Ryan Denney was a beast on the other side.

    At 6'5" and 269 he had the prototype size for a 4/3 DE, which is what he played at BYU.

    An athletic freak at that size in that conference would dominate.

    IMHO a bulked up BK in a 3/4 is the only way he starts in this league. He is good not great.

    He is right where he needs to be.
    Last edited by Captain Lemming; 10-11-2012 at 03:31 PM.

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