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    Quote Originally Posted by NJ-STEELER View Post
    one good thing i saw.

    first time i've seen him get blocked on the blitz pick up by the RB and he still got to the QB
    He not only beat that RB, he TRUCKED that RB (like Adrian Peterson TRUCKING William Gay once upon a time).

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    The praise continues!!!

    How do we know that 92s return isn't partly responsible for Timmons performance?

    3 tackles against Oakland and beaten badly by a no name TE for a critical 1st
    Down. Let's hold off on sending Timmons to canton for at least a couple more games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Spaghetti View Post
    How do we know that 92s return isn't partly responsible for Timmons performance?
    #92 is definitely an inspirational figure...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Spaghetti View Post
    The praise continues!!!

    How do we know that 92s return isn't partly responsible for Timmons performance?

    3 tackles against Oakland and beaten badly by a no name TE for a critical 1st
    Down. Let's hold off on sending Timmons to canton for at least a couple more games.
    I think that there is no doubt that JH's return had a big impact on the D as a whole, and Timmons in particular.

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    I will agree with Dubs on this one. I have always seen the talent in Timmons. The problem is he has been a man without a true position. His strength? Gettin after it. It's not run support...not pass coverage (though he does both above average)...it's being unleashed to wreck things. He is the best at it since Troy. Why do we not know this? Because he is rarely used as such. When he is...you see what happens. I agree...build a D around Timmons ability to create havoc....let him free lance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oviedo View Post
    Can you define "consistently dominant play?" Is it what we see from Woodley, is he meeting the standard? Is it what we have seen from Harrison the past two seasons, is he meeting your standard? What about Troy, is he "consistently dominant?"

    I'm just trying to understand the metrics that Timmons will be evaluated against to determine his "consistent dominance." Sacks? Interceptions? Tackles? All the above? More than anyone else is a single game or over the course of a season?

    Let's face it, for many Timmons will NEVER be good enough. If that is how you feel, just say it. There is no penalty or no one will ban you from the board. But let's be honest that many want someone or anyone other than Timmons because they probably never liked the pick from Day 1 and have consistently stated so over the last six years. So they set up arbitrary, unmeasureable standards to evaluate him.

    I'll be upfront without hesitation. I loved the pick then and still do and when he is used like he was the last game and in the Jets game I think Timmons is the type of player we can build a defense around. He was definitely more effective than Troy, Woodley and Harrison. He can stay on the field unlike those other three. He was on the field last year too, unlike those others three.

    The only thing that matters is that the organization likes what they see and have committed to Timmons for the long term. Obviously he meets their standard.
    For starters, how about noticing that he is on the field? I'd like to see Timmons make an impact of some type in more than 25% of games. In his first three games, Timmons had 11 solos, 1 assist, and 1 pass defensed. Is that the performance of a $10 million per year inside linebacker? Especially considering him getting beat in coverage by yet another no-name TE? Hardly.

    With your love for the 4-3, you should know that pass-rushers are hit or miss. All of them - Jared Allen, Peppers, Pierre Paul, will have games where the do not appear on the stat sheet at all or only have a tackle or two. Woodley is a bit inconsistent, and I'd like to see him be more consistent, but I realize that is the nature of being a guy who is paid to rush the passer.

    As for James and Troy, when they are on the field, they absolutely impact the game. Health and ability are two different things. I think Harrison's presence probably freed up Timmons a bit.

    I'd love for Timmons to prove me wrong. In 2010, I thought that he had. Last year, there were the excuses that he was out of position. This year, I'm not sure what the excuse was for the first three games.

    He played great against the Eagles, no question. I'd like to see him continue to play at that level.

    Finally, as to "consistently dominant" play - it's like pornography. You know it when you see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phillyesq View Post
    For starters, how about noticing that he is on the field? I'd like to see Timmons make an impact of some type in more than 25% of games. In his first three games, Timmons had 11 solos, 1 assist, and 1 pass defensed. Is that the performance of a $10 million per year inside linebacker? Especially considering him getting beat in coverage by yet another no-name TE? Hardly.

    With your love for the 4-3, you should know that pass-rushers are hit or miss. All of them - Jared Allen, Peppers, Pierre Paul, will have games where the do not appear on the stat sheet at all or only have a tackle or two. Woodley is a bit inconsistent, and I'd like to see him be more consistent, but I realize that is the nature of being a guy who is paid to rush the passer.

    As for James and Troy, when they are on the field, they absolutely impact the game. Health and ability are two different things. I think Harrison's presence probably freed up Timmons a bit.

    I'd love for Timmons to prove me wrong. In 2010, I thought that he had. Last year, there were the excuses that he was out of position. This year, I'm not sure what the excuse was for the first three games.

    He played great against the Eagles, no question. I'd like to see him continue to play at that level.

    Finally, as to "consistently dominant" play - it's like pornography. You know it when you see it.
    The problem with "You know it when you see it" is if you don't really want to see it you never will. One man's porn is another man's art. So it is really you either like Timmons or you don't and no matter what he really does on the field will change that at this point. Something will always be determined to be "not enough," just like porn
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    Quote Originally Posted by phillyesq View Post
    Finally, as to "consistently dominant" play - it's like pornography. You know it when you see it.
    I have no idea where he would have gotten ahold of German pornography. But you and I are mature adults; we've both seen our share of pornographic materials. Oh, you never have? Of course you haven't, how stupid of me. Neither have I. I was just speaking in generalities. Right.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RuthlessBurgher View Post
    I have no idea where he would have gotten ahold of German pornography. But you and I are mature adults; we've both seen our share of pornographic materials. Oh, you never have? Of course you haven't, how stupid of me. Neither have I. I was just speaking in generalities. Right.

    Excellent reference, as always.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oviedo View Post
    The problem with "You know it when you see it" is if you don't really want to see it you never will. One man's porn is another man's art. So it is really you either like Timmons or you don't and no matter what he really does on the field will change that at this point. Something will always be determined to be "not enough," just like porn
    Timmons made little impact in the first few games. He didn't make or alter plays. When it is even questionable that Larry Foote is outplaying you (and I think Foote did outplay Timmons in the first few games) you are not dominant.

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