Lawrence Timmons was a beast today!

[Slapstick]

You have a strange definition for this word, "fact"...

I do not think it means what you think it means...

[feltdizz]

How good is Troy when DL has him 20 yards off the ball?

How good is Woodley when he drops in coverage?

How good is Harrison when he drops in coverage?

How good is McClendon, Cam, etc when they don't get playing time?

My point... If Timmons can be a beast when turned loose why the hell are some of you against putting him in that scheme more often?

[Oviedo]

How good is Troy when DL has him 20 yards off the ball?

How good is Woodley when he drops in coverage?

How good is Harrison when he drops in coverage?

How good is McClendon, Cam, etc when they don't get playing time?

My point... If Timmons can be a beast when turned loose why the hell are some of you against putting him in that scheme more often?

Because they are blinded by idol worship of anything LeBeau does. LeBeau is never wrong because of past success. The past does not guarantee the future because too many variables have changed on our defense but the guy in charge wants it to be the same. Not uncommon for a 75 year old. Change is not easy easy for people as they get older especially when you are so emotionally and professionally invested in something.

[phillyesq]

How good is Troy when DL has him 20 yards off the ball?

How good is Woodley when he drops in coverage?

How good is Harrison when he drops in coverage?

How good is McClendon, Cam, etc when they don't get playing time?

My point... If Timmons can be a beast when turned loose why the hell are some of you against putting him in that scheme more often?

Part of the hype with Timmons is that he is supposed to be athletic and great in coverage. If he's supposed to be a great coverage linebacker, shouldn't he be used in that role at times?

He had a great game on Sunday. I'd love for him to prove me wrong and play like that for the rest of the season. For a player in his 6th year with a big contract, I don't want potential or flashes. I expect consistently dominant play.

[Oviedo]

I don't want potential or flashes. I expect consistently dominant play.

Can you define "consistently dominant play?" Is it what we see from Woodley, is he meeting the standard? Is it what we have seen from Harrison the past two seasons, is he meeting your standard? What about Troy, is he "consistently dominant?"

I'm just trying to understand the metrics that Timmons will be evaluated against to determine his "consistent dominance." Sacks? Interceptions? Tackles? All the above? More than anyone else is a single game or over the course of a season?

Let's face it, for many Timmons will NEVER be good enough. If that is how you feel, just say it. There is no penalty or no one will ban you from the board. But let's be honest that many want someone or anyone other than Timmons because they probably never liked the pick from Day 1 and have consistently stated so over the last six years. So they set up arbitrary, unmeasureable standards to evaluate him.

I'll be upfront without hesitation. I loved the pick then and still do and when he is used like he was the last game and in the Jets game I think Timmons is the type of player we can build a defense around. He was definitely more effective than Troy, Woodley and Harrison. He can stay on the field unlike those other three. He was on the field last year too, unlike those others three.

The only thing that matters is that the organization likes what they see and have committed to Timmons for the long term. Obviously he meets their standard.

[phillyesq]

Can you define "consistently dominant play?" Is it what we see from Woodley, is he meeting the standard? Is it what we have seen from Harrison the past two seasons, is he meeting your standard? What about Troy, is he "consistently dominant?"

I'm just trying to understand the metrics that Timmons will be evaluated against to determine his "consistent dominance." Sacks? Interceptions? Tackles? All the above? More than anyone else is a single game or over the course of a season?

Let's face it, for many Timmons will NEVER be good enough. If that is how you feel, just say it. There is no penalty or no one will ban you from the board. But let's be honest that many want someone or anyone other than Timmons because they probably never liked the pick from Day 1 and have consistently stated so over the last six years. So they set up arbitrary, unmeasureable standards to evaluate him.

I'll be upfront without hesitation. I loved the pick then and still do and when he is used like he was the last game and in the Jets game I think Timmons is the type of player we can build a defense around. He was definitely more effective than Troy, Woodley and Harrison. He can stay on the field unlike those other three. He was on the field last year too, unlike those others three.

The only thing that matters is that the organization likes what they see and have committed to Timmons for the long term. Obviously he meets their standard.

For starters, how about noticing that he is on the field? I'd like to see Timmons make an impact of some type in more than 25% of games. In his first three games, Timmons had 11 solos, 1 assist, and 1 pass defensed. Is that the performance of a $10 million per year inside linebacker? Especially considering him getting beat in coverage by yet another no-name TE? Hardly.

With your love for the 4-3, you should know that pass-rushers are hit or miss. All of them - Jared Allen, Peppers, Pierre Paul, will have games where the do not appear on the stat sheet at all or only have a tackle or two. Woodley is a bit inconsistent, and I'd like to see him be more consistent, but I realize that is the nature of being a guy who is paid to rush the passer.

As for James and Troy, when they are on the field, they absolutely impact the game. Health and ability are two different things. I think Harrison's presence probably freed up Timmons a bit.

I'd love for Timmons to prove me wrong. In 2010, I thought that he had. Last year, there were the excuses that he was out of position. This year, I'm not sure what the excuse was for the first three games.

He played great against the Eagles, no question. I'd like to see him continue to play at that level.

Finally, as to "consistently dominant" play - it's like pornography. You know it when you see it.

[Oviedo]

For starters, how about noticing that he is on the field? I'd like to see Timmons make an impact of some type in more than 25% of games. In his first three games, Timmons had 11 solos, 1 assist, and 1 pass defensed. Is that the performance of a $10 million per year inside linebacker? Especially considering him getting beat in coverage by yet another no-name TE? Hardly.

With your love for the 4-3, you should know that pass-rushers are hit or miss. All of them - Jared Allen, Peppers, Pierre Paul, will have games where the do not appear on the stat sheet at all or only have a tackle or two. Woodley is a bit inconsistent, and I'd like to see him be more consistent, but I realize that is the nature of being a guy who is paid to rush the passer.

As for James and Troy, when they are on the field, they absolutely impact the game. Health and ability are two different things. I think Harrison's presence probably freed up Timmons a bit.

I'd love for Timmons to prove me wrong. In 2010, I thought that he had. Last year, there were the excuses that he was out of position. This year, I'm not sure what the excuse was for the first three games.

He played great against the Eagles, no question. I'd like to see him continue to play at that level.

Finally, as to "consistently dominant" play - it's like pornography. You know it when you see it.

The problem with "You know it when you see it" is if you don't really want to see it you never will. One man's porn is another man's art. So it is really you either like Timmons or you don't and no matter what he really does on the field will change that at this point. Something will always be determined to be "not enough," just like porn

[RuthlessBurgher]

Finally, as to "consistently dominant" play - it's like pornography. You know it when you see it.

I have no idea where he would have gotten ahold of German pornography. But you and I are mature adults; we've both seen our share of pornographic materials. Oh, you never have? Of course you haven't, how stupid of me. Neither have I. I was just speaking in generalities. Right.

[Eddie Spaghetti]

In his first three games, Timmons had 11 solos, 1 assist, and 1 pass defensed. Is that the performance of a $10 million per year inside linebacker?

somehow this basic question keeps getting dodged by the timmons apologists. It seems like a fairly simple question to me. Or they fall back on the same contrived and tired response: Its lebeaus fault!!! Never is it timmons effort, or intensity, or just overall average to poor play.

consistency, that's all the timmons critics want. Give me that and I will embrace him. Until then, I won't.

[Slapstick]

Part of the hype with Timmons is that he is supposed to be athletic and great in coverage. If he's supposed to be a great coverage linebacker, shouldn't he be used in that role at times?

Absolutely...the key part of the phrase is "at times"...not all the time...

What Timmons showed on Sunday is this: He can make plays when you put him in position to do so...

While he made the splash play in the first half, he was making tackles for only 2 yard gains and pressuring Vick into incompletions in the 2nd half as well...