He's in the top 5 LBs for me.
He's in the top 5 LBs for me.
Actually you got Lloyd wrong. He was MUCH better versus the run than he was a pass rusher.
Harrison is better at destroying blockers when the run comes at him, Glloyd was much better in pursuit, and had a Troy like burst mode.
Both Harrison and Lloyd were rare 3/4 OLBers capable of getting 100 plus total tackles
Harrison gets WAY more sacks than Lloyd, but they get a similar number of tackles versus the run.
Lloyd was a very good but not great pass rusher.
His sacks just tended to be of the spectacular fashion, and were the stuff of highlights
We tend to have two types of OLBers.
Quick LBer sized guys- Lloyd, Brown, Porter etc.
4/3 Dlineman types- Greene, Gildon, Woodley etc
Harrison has BOTH skillsets. He can bullrush an OT or dominate an elite RB with equal effectiveness.
We had a great set of OLBERs in Lloyd and Greene.
Harrison is the best of both on one package.
Healthy Harrison during his DPOY era has no peers among Steeler 3/4 LBs period.
IMHO ONLY LT was in his class, period.
Talk of Demarcus Ware being better is RIDICULOUS, as is comparisons with any other one trick pony pass rush specialist out there.
Harrisons peak, like Lloyd is going to be too short lived to recognize his historical greatness.
I think that Harrison is better against the run for much the same reason...
I do agree that, especially the DPOY season, Harrison had no peer at 3-4 OLB with the exception of LT...
I do remember Lloyd getting blown up by the Cowboys in that SB. They ran those sweeps or whatever and pulled those HUGE o-lineman and Lloyd didn't have the size to hold up. That's not a knock on him... Dallas o-line was huge for that era
We got our "6-PACK" - time to work on a CASE!
HERE WE GO STEELERS, HERE WE GO!
I think Harrison has given his all for this team and I always loved his effort. He certainly ranks high in my list of Steeler linebackers but he is nowhere near the top. I think Jack Ham was the greatest linebacker we have ever had. I think he doesn't get the acclaim because he never had the attitude of Lambert, Lloyd, Porter or Harrison.
Ham was unbelievable against the run and tremendous against the pass. He didn't get many sack totals because it wasn't often that we blitzed in that day and age. Watching the Ratbirds game the other night they put a stat up about Ray Lewis. He is second for linebackers creating turnovers. The guy in first place, but a big margin, was Jack Ham.
Ham is the Man!!!
Talking eras? His own teamate Kevin Greene would surpass 10 sacks routinely.
Chad Brown was moved from inside for ONE SEASON to OLBer in replacing Lloyd and bested Lloyds CAREER high number of sacks.
Same era exact same position, one season.
Lloyds sacks were just far more beautiful. Dude looked like a missile aimed at the QB, or a big cat in pursuit of the kill. Often he created turnovers.
But he needed to come off cleanly, tackles would engulf him. They needed to mix it up more with him in coverage because if you KNEW he was coming, you could stop him.
People forget the dude was a beast versus the run. Twice the run defender of most of our 3/4 OLBers.
Harrison though is better at both because he is stronger.
Ham was more like Troy (when he plays in the box) just more consistent and less spectacular.
How often did Ham have to fight through an OT to make a play. Harrison gets HELD by them every week.
A guy like Woodley plays a role more akin to LC Greenwood than LBers of that era. Harrison is a blend.
Last edited by Captain Lemming; 09-28-2012 at 01:19 PM.
My top list:
Players who did not do it for as long I really liked: Keven Greene, Chad Brown and Loren Toews. Toews was always a favorite of mine growing up. Chad Brown would have been a star had he remained in the 'Burgh.
1.25 DT Vernon Butler, La Tech, 64 323
2.58 CB Artie Burns, Miami, 511 189
3.89 OLB, Alex McCalister, Florida, 66 240-Jarvis Jones replacement
4.123 S Jayron Kearse, Clemson, 64 216-hybrid type we could use in 3-3-5 defense
6.220 OT Stephane Nembot, 67 322-raw talent with ton of upside
7.229 CB Brian Poole, Florida, 510 210
7.246 WR/KR Ed Eagan, Northwestern State, 5 10 185-need WR depth and returner