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    Pro Football Focus disagrees with you ****ers, says its not the LB'ers, agrees its DL

    https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...aiders-week-3/

    Disagrees with you ****ers its the LB. They tell a different tale about them. Even Carter.

    Linebackers Strong Against the Run

    They may have been without James Harrison but the Steelers still got some very impressive play from their linebackers. None of the four graded negatively for the game, and three of them scored very well against the run. Lamarr Woodley (+1.8), Larry Foote (+2.3) and Lawrence Timmons (+3.3) all showed very well in the run game, and constantly knifed between blockers to make stops in and around the line of scrimmage. The four linebackers combined for 12 defensive stops and just a single missed tackle.


    Agrees with you ****ers its the DL:



    D-Line Needs Reinforcements


    I routinely wonder what some Steelers fans see in Ziggy Hood (-2.4), to the point that Iím actually checking plays more times than I normally would just to make sure Iím not missing some extremely subtle and under-the-radar level of dominance from him. Itís just not there. I was actually shocked in this outing when he made a good play in the run gameĖand even then he was beaten to the tackle by Timmons. Despite 36 snaps rushing the passer he failed to generate any pressure whatsoever.


    I understand that might not be his specialty in this defense (though given his college background it probably should be), but if heís out there for 36 snaps against the pass he needs to be able to make himself a factor. Otherwise he is just dead weight, because he rarely commands more than one blocker. In the end it was another poor performance from Hood and, as Casey Hampton (-1.3) isnít getting any younger, Pittsburgh need to find some linemen going forward.

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    Not just Hood and Hampton, but Kiesel hasn't impressed this season, either...Maybe he oughta shave.

    I'd like to see more of Heyward, McLendon, and even Ta'amu...don't think they could do much worse.

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    ****ers
    If the above means what I think it means is there a reason for it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by eniparadoxgma View Post
    If the above means what I think it means is there a reason for it?
    Just yinzers why?

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    McClendon is backing his man up when he gets to play.need to sit Big Snack more. I think McClendon would command a double team if he had more playing time. I also said during chat that I missed Aaron Smith and wish he didnt retire. He is missed even tho he didnt play a lot his last few years. We need that double team so the LB's can get free.

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    Oh. Carry on then.
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    I dont get this. When we are expecting plays to be made (splash plays), by the 3-4 zone blitz defensive lineman we are not really understanding what the D-line's primary function is. I watched Casey Hampton constantly take on two blocks Sunday versus the Raiders. But I also saw two inside LB's out of position, over-pursuing, and just flat out driven back at the point of attack consistently. But hey...keep expecting more from the 3 up front and I'd guess you'd keep being disappointed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dee Dub View Post
    I dont get this. When we are expecting plays to be made (splash plays), by the 3-4 zone blitz defensive lineman we are not really understanding what the D-line's primary function is. I watched Casey Hampton constantly take on two blocks Sunday versus the Raiders. But I also saw two inside LB's out of position, over-pursuing, and just flat out driven back at the point of attack consistently. But hey...keep expecting more from the 3 up front and I'd guess you'd keep being disappointed.
    So you disagree with PFF? I would say they are usually pretty spot on with their grading and are well respected. They have been universal in their disdain for Ziggy Hood as a 3-4 End and grade him consistently low.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRob View Post
    So you disagree with PFF? I would say they are usually pretty spot on with their grading and are well respected. They have been universal in their disdain for Ziggy Hood as a 3-4 End and grade him consistently low.
    I believe what I said. The 3-4 zone blitz D-line isnt put into a position to make plays. What should we expect? As long as they are taking on their blocks and freeing up the LB's they are doing their jobs. And when LeBeau continues to drop his LB's into coverage you are asking 3 men to beat at least 5 men in pass rush. Odds are stacked against them in regards to making many splash plays. Do you know how many years it took Aaron Smith to become what he was at his best? More years than what Ziggy Hood has had.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dee Dub View Post
    I believe what I said. The 3-4 zone blitz D-line isnt put into a position to make plays. What should we expect? As long as they are taking on their blocks and freeing up the LB's they are doing their jobs. And when LeBeau continues to drop his LB's into coverage you are asking 3 men to beat at least 5 men in pass rush. Odds are stacked against them in regards to making many splash plays. Do you know how many years it took Aaron Smith to become what he was at his best? More years than what Ziggy Hood has had.
    Aaron Smith averaged 31 tackles and 12 assists over the first ten years of his career (I excluded the last three in which injuries kept him ion the bench more than on the field) and in year 2 he had 4 sacks, 28 tackles and 14 assists. He was productive the moment he was inserted as the starter. The reason everyone believes it took a long time is because it took a long time for the media (Pittsburgh's included) noticed that he was a great player. No one even knew he replaced Orpheus Roye in 2000, because the position isn't glamorous. Fans only started to realize the impact he had when he wasn't in games and opponents had some success running the football.

    So, Aaron Smith was productive in his career long before Ziggy is going to be productive. At this point, if we stretch productivity to new limits and consider Hood productive right now it has taken him twice as long as Aaron Smith to be productive, which is about right, because Smith is/was twice the player that Hood is right now.

    And, remember, I'm not sure we can call Hood productive right now, he may not be productive until next year.

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