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    Quote Originally Posted by BURGH86STEEL View Post
    Games generally boil down to execution.
    Exactly!!
    Brees, Both Mannings, Rivers, Brady Rodgers all have excellent execution. Is it due to them or their Coaches? The aformentioned Qbs are not executing at a high level due to coaching its due to tireless hours on the practice field and film room. Something our Qb does on occassion but he certainly is not known for his work ethic.

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    Exactly!!
    Brees, Both Mannings, Rivers, Brady Rodgers all have excellent execution. Is it due to them or their Coaches? The aformentioned Qbs are not executing at a high level due to coaching its due to tireless hours on the practice field and film room. Something our Qb does on occassion but he certainly is not known for his work ethic.[/QUOTE]


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    well i do know its not tomlins fault. and i also know its not kuglers fault because tomlin hired him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lloydroid View Post
    Do you ever find yourself watching a game, and watching a team's offensive execution and wonder why the Steelers can't run successful rushing and screen plays like other teams can? I was watching the Giants' game, and they ran this beautiful screen play, where their entire O line ended up blocking for the running back getting the ball. It was a thing of beauty. Also, NYG run some sweet rushing plays, where the blocks are so spot on, giving the running back clean holes. Same thing for SF - Gore and Hunter have some sweet holes to run through on a consistent basis. The Bills have some really well done rushing plays. They make their blocks. As a matter of fact, the Steelers are a pathetic 30th in rushing yards in the NFL. 30th? Are you serious. What in the Sam Hill is going on? It's not from lack of trying to rush the ball.

    So which is more to blame? Is Coughlin and his staff just that much better coaches than we have? Are our OLmen just incapable of moving and blocking than are the vast majority of the rest of the league's OLmen? This is a problem. If we can't get this fixed, we aren't going any where after the regular season. And the "eye test" and the actual stats tell the same story: Pgh can't rush the ball with any real effectiveness. And I don't care how many tight ends they put on the field; our rushing game is pathetic. 30th in the NFL, and make no mistake: unlike some other teams, we absolutely __CARE__ and FOCUS on trying to get the rush going. But it doesn't seem to matter. We just suck at rushing the ball and it's frustrating to watch when they try.
    We have a mediocre Offensive Line. That influences everything we do on offense. It is not a Ben issue. If anything Ben saves plays that would have a much worse outcome for a lot of QBs.

    Just look at our OL

    RT--young OL with potential but just in second year
    RG--UDFA who wouldn't even be on the field if not for DeCastro injury. Part of the problem the past couple of years.
    OC--#1 pick but this year seems to be playing worse than previous two
    LG--converted OT who has played just two games in the past three years and is learning new position
    LT--experienced vet coming off ACL surgery. Solid player but not Top 25% at his position.

    Read through the above and you still wonder why we struggle. When we were good under Wiz we had a dominant interior of the OL. When we get that again we will be great.
    Playing Fantasy Football does not qualify you to be the in the front office or on the coaching staff of the Pittsburgh Steelers. They are professionals and you are not!

  5. #15
    An offensive line is ONLY as good as the quarterback. The Colts had (so it seemed) a dominant Oline. But what happened to that SAME line without Manning?
    What we found out is that it wasnt the line, it was the QUARTERBACK. That same line looked like crap minus Manning. So was the line great or did the quarterback make that line great? Its obvious its NOT THE LINE, its about the Qbs MIND. The ability to make correct pre snap reads and get the ball out quickly is a godsend to any line.

    Ben is not an anticipatory passer. Ben waits for a receiver to "show" open before he releases the ball. This hurts Ben. Elite quarterback anticipate where the receiver will be and they release the ball earlier. Ben releases it later. He is below average in regards to getting the ball out.

    You guys are CRAZY if you think that Ben Roethlisberger saves the Line. Thats ludicrous. Yes, I KNOW the announcers on the TV say it but does that make it true? IF Ben Roethlisberger was so great in what he does then he would be the poster child for all young quarterbacks in clinics, camps and seminars. He is not, in fact it is the opposite. NO coach worth his weight in gold will teach a young quarterback to play like Ben. He does A LOT of things fundamentally wrong. He gets away with it because he plays for us. Thats the reality of it.

    You mentioned "Under Wiz'. Under Wiz he DIDNT have a good relationship with Ben. Why? Ben is lazy, Ben is not a hard worker and he takes too many dumb sacks. We still had a sack problem despite the fact that Wiz surrounded Ben with a running game. WATCH when we play the cards this season. Wiz will BLITZ the crap out of Ben. Why? Because he KNOWS that Ben is slow to process the information quickly and thats the biggest contributing factor in all of the sacks. You mentioned Wiz, so lets look at the sacks under Wiz and compare to Bens contemporaries.

    2004
    Ben 295 Att 30 sacks
    P.Manning 497 Att 13 sacks
    Plummer 521 Att 15 sacks
    Favre 540 Att 12 sacks

    2005
    Ben 261 Atts 23 sacks
    P.Manning 453 Atts 17 sacks
    C.Palmer 509 Atts 19 sacks
    Brady 530 Atts 26 sacks

    2006
    Ben 469 Atts 46 sacks
    P.Manning 557 Atts 14 sacks
    Brees 554 Atts 18 sacks
    Rivers 467 Atts 27 sacks

    As we see it is CLEAR that Ben had a sack problem under Wiz and Grimm when our line was elite. So again, its not the line, its Ben. Now lets look at the same line behind Leftwich.

    Lets look at Ben vs Leftwich in 08. Same line, same personel but quite different results.

    vs. Skins- Leftwich 7-10 129 yards 1 TD 145 rating
    - Big Ben 5-17 50 yards 1 INT 3 sacks 15.1 rating

    vs. Browns Leftwich 7-12 80 yards 78.5 rating 1 Td run
    Ben 9-14 110 yards 1 INT 58.6 rating 3 sacks and injured

    vs. Eagles Big Ben 13-25 131 yards 1 INT 50.6 rating 8 sacks
    Leftwich 4-7 60 yards 85.4 rating 1 sack

    The evidence is clear guys

  6. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by stopplayn View Post
    The evidence is clear guys
    Yes, yes it is:

    His regular-season record as a starter is 81-34 for a .704 winning percentage, second only to New England's Tom Brady (125-38, .767) among active NFL quarterbacks.
    Also, his postseason record is 10-4 with two SB wins...

    The evidence is, in fact, crystal clear...
    Last edited by Slapstick; 09-23-2012 at 04:19 PM.

  7. #17
    Correction. His postseason record is 10-3 with 20 TDS and 17 INTS.
    2 SB wins with 3TDS and 5 INTS

    Its CLEAR that He is not the primary reason that we win. He is a big part but not the primary one.

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    You are right it is 10-4. I had forgotten the loss to Tebow. smh

  9. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by stopplayn View Post
    Correction. His postseason record is 10-3 with 20 TDS and 17 INTS.
    2 SB wins with 3TDS and 5 INTS

    Its CLEAR that He is not the primary reason that we win. He is a big part but not the primary one.
    Right. Because the Steelers won so many Super Bowls in the 25 years prior to drafting him...

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    Defense! Defense! Defense!
    Poor showing today. Penalties and Turnovers continue to haunt as well. Incomplete body of work, there I said it.

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