I provided the entire list; you can look for yourself that we rarely hit on any picks after the 3rd round, and that includes BEFORE drafting Ben.
Originally Posted by NJ-STEELER
Facts can be a troubling thing to get past.
Originally Posted by lloydroid
Originally Posted by Slapstick
Take a look at some of the other NFL teams and you will find a success rate after the 3rd round pretty similar to the Steelers...that's just life in the NFL...
Originally Posted by Eddie Spaghetti
Larry Foote - below average LB
Brett Keisel - nice one
Ike Taylor - definitely good find.
Willie Colon - been hurt for like 3 years and is below average
Ryan Mundy - Hasn't even cracked starting line up, hasn't shown much
Antonio Brown - super find.
And then have the rest of the story.
Toney Clemons,David Paulson, Terrence Frederick, Kelvin Beachum After Rainey, likely NONE of these later players make the team.
Curtis Brown - Has been terrible. Will be cut.
Cortez Allen - Still has hope, we will see
Chris Carter - We will see
Keith Williams - Who?
Baron Batch - Has shown nothing so far
Jason Worilds - bust so far
Emmanuel Sanders - Still waiting to see if he can ever produce and stay healthy. So far, not really.
Thaddeus Gibson - BUST
Chris Scott - garbage
Crezdon Butler - crap
Stevenson Sylvester - showed promise and then what happened?
Jonathan Dwyer - still could hit
Antonio Brown - great late pick, no question
Doug Worthington - who?
Kraig Urbik - Bust
Mike Wallace - super pick
Keenan Lewis - possible hit, we will see in a short while
Joe Burnett - bum
Frank Summers - wasted pick
RaShon Harris - bum
A.Q. Shipley - nothing
David Johnson - so so. Never liked how they used him
Limas Sweed - complete bust
Bruce Davis - horrible pick in every way
Tony Hills - waste
Dennis Dixon - out of football?
Mike Humpal - stinks
Ryan Mundy - Never sees field
Matt Spaeth - bad pick
Daniel Sepulveda - never produced, taken way too high
Ryan McBean - not
Cameron Stephenson - waste
William Gay - not bad value, as it turns out
Dallas Baker - waste of time
Anthony Smith - bust
Willie Reid - bust
Willie Colon - This should be his year if he can finally stay healthy
Orien Harris - bust
Omar Jacobs - bust
Charles Davis - not
Marvin Philip - nope
Cedric Humes - bust
It goes on and on like this. Pgh is NOT any better than other teams with later draft picks and they have even failed on tons of 2nd and 3rd rounders as well. Over all, they get it done, but don't tell me they excel on later day picks, because they really don't.
Pathetic analysis. Every team's list would look very similar. The way you judge a team's ability to draft is by their championship history. The Steelers rarely sign bigtime Free Agents and yet they have the second most superbowls in the last decade. I think that speaks for itself.
Larry Foote is a "below average LB" with 2 SB rings...
Who was Mundy going to beat out? Pro Bowler Ryan Clark or DPOY Troy Polamalu?
Worilds isn't a bust...who was he going to beat out? Pro Bowler LaMarr Woodley or DPOY James Harrison? When he's played, he's performed well...
Curtis Brown won't be cut...
Daniel Sepulveda did produce...he just got hurt...a lot...
I understand taking a "Devil's Advocate" position, but at least offer some support for your opinion instead of blanket generalizations...an unsupported sweeping statement generally gets disregarded very quickly...
Hall of Famer
I can understand cautious optimism, but the analysis here is maddeningly bad.
Originally Posted by BigRob
Originally Posted by BigRob
also, they say belichek is a master at drafting yet look at their recent drafts.
tate over wallace
ben troupe and marouney 1st rounders and those are just 2 off the top of my head
Let's not get drunk here. I was addressing the chap who claimed Pgh was better at late drafting than other teams. In reality, that's just not true, and I illustrated the specifics. I never said they "stink at drafting" but just the claim that they were superior late drafters as inaccurate. They don't find any more sleeper picks than most teams, as the evidence clearly demonstrates. They _ARE_ more likely to hit big on the first rounders, than are teams on average, but that was never the assertion. And I have to just laugh: Just because Foot won two super bowl rings it means he is an above average LB? How does that logic work again?
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interesting that the OP never chimed back in with his 5th post.
its almost like someone is arguing with themselves.