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    Pap, good post. Now whoever secretly reads this site from the Steelers organization will know the right amount to offer Wallace. I am with Steelcrazy on the pay. I really like him and what he can do for the team but he has never impressed me as a well rounded top tier wide receiver. Take away his speed and he is average. I want a guy who will come back after the ball, will fight the defender for it and will try to knock it out of the defenders hands. I didn't see that happen enough. I think he is the Willie Parker of wide receivers. Love him and want him to be a Steeler, but don't want to give him the money he is looking for. And frankly, I don't see many other teams feeling that kind of love either. So in the end, he could be holding out and affecting team chemistry (which hurts both him and the Steelers) for nothing.

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    I'll go with G. He's worth that, but I don't know that the Steelers CAN pay what he's worth so hopefully they can be creative and he can give them a break.

    It's funny to me how many posters talk about what Wallace wants as if they knew something. How would any of us know what Wallace wants?

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    start at about $6M in year 1 and work up to about $9M in year 5 or 6

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    Quote Originally Posted by papillon View Post
    Well, as of right now aren't the Steelers about 5 million below the salary cap after releasing Scott the other day? Anything above 5 million then would come at a cost not only monetarily, but the Steelers would also have to release another player in all likelihood to get Wallace under the cap. At this point I'd rather see the Steelers stop negotiating, play the season and see who has the better year, Antonio Brown or Mike Wallace. They are not going to be able to keep both after this year, IMHO. Pay them their salaries, have them compete, pay the winner and chances are the other becomes a free agent and some other team benefits.

    Receivers are being churned out in great number form college because of the focus on the passing game in the NFL. More colleges are preparing players for the NFL, good wide receivers can be had in almost any round.

    I wouldn't pay him over 6 million per annum, but I don't write the checks or make the decisions; I did however, stay at a Holiday Inn last night.

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    Totally agree!! WRs are too easy to replace. If Wallace balks at the offer, let him play for the tag amount and focus on extending Antonio Brown

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sugar View Post
    I'll go with G. He's worth that, but I don't know that the Steelers CAN pay what he's worth so hopefully they can be creative and he can give them a break.

    It's funny to me how many posters talk about what Wallace wants as if they knew something. How would any of us know what Wallace wants?
    Its funny how you can't logically infer that he wants A LOT of money from all of the facts that are there in front of you. What else would keep him from signing his contract and showing up? Maybe he's clinically depressed because Mr Roger's died?!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelnavy View Post
    Its funny how you can't logically infer that he wants A LOT of money from all of the facts that are there in front of you. What else would keep him from signing his contract and showing up? Maybe he's clinically depressed because Mr Roger's died?!?
    What is "A LOT" of money? Do we even know what either side is offering? Nothing's been reported so it's all anyone's guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by papillon View Post
    Well, as of right now aren't the Steelers about 5 million below the salary cap after releasing Scott the other day? Anything above 5 million then would come at a cost not only monetarily, but the Steelers would also have to release another player in all likelihood to get Wallace under the cap.
    That's not true. They could theoretically give him a $5 year $50 million deal with a $20 million signing bonus (I used these numbers to make the math easy). Looks like his cap hit should be $10 million, which we cannot afford with only $5 million worth of space...well that's how it works in hockey, but not in football. They could simply give him a veteran minimum salary for 2012 ($700,000, I believe), plus the pro-rated portion of his signing bonus, which in this case would be $4 million per year. In this example, his cap hit for 2012 would be $4.7 million.


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    114 21.2 10.5 63.2 30.7

    The above #'s are stats for Wallace. Besides the standard stats this site has some advanced stats. The 114 is the number of times he was targeted. 21.2 %of team targets. 10.5 yds per target
    63.2 catch rate [% of targets received]. 30.7 %deep

    Targets (Tgts) – The number of pass attempts directed at a particular receiver. Rank 24
    Target Percentage (Tgt%) – A receiver’s proportion of his team’s pass attempts targeted to him. Tgt% excludes passes thrown away, passes not intended for any particular receiver, and spikes. Rank 22
    Yards per Target (YPT) – A receiver’s average yards gained per pass attempted to him. Rank 11
    Catch Rate (CR) – The proportion of passes targeted to a receiver that are caught. Rank 18
    Deep Pass Percentage (Deep%) – The proportion of pass targets in which a receiver is greater than 15 yards beyond the line of scrimmage. ---Rank 33---

    [url]http://wp.advancednflstats.com/playerstats.php?year=2011&pos=WR&season=reg[/url]

    I noticed the link did not change colors. Probably won't work. Simple enough to find the site however.

    I initially went there to try and confirm the stat about the Steelers ranking 18th in deep throws. But, then this also caught my eye. A stat I like is the Catch %. Another big surprise [to me] was Hines Ward ranked #2 catching 73% of his targets.

    The reason why I did not post the pages to show where he stood in relation to others was it was too much content for the message and would not post. Anyway, the site seems worth checking out.

    btw: another surprise. Deep% 33 ??? Not sure if that is a team stat or if the # of times MW was targeted deep.

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    Thought it might help to figure what to pay Wallace if the money given some others was known. I had some trouble finding this for 2012 but stumbled on this site.

    [url]http://www.spotrac.com/top-salaries/nfl/average/dallas-cowboys/wide-receiver/[/url]

    [URL="http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/miles-austin/"]Miles Austin[/URL] at Wide Receiver $8,166,857
    [URL="http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/dez-bryant/"]Dez Bryant[/URL] at Wide Receiver $2,360,000
    [URL="http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/kevin-ogletree/"]Kevin Ogletree[/URL] at Wide Receiver $615,000
    [URL="http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/danny-coale/"]Danny Coale[/URL] at Wide Receiver $572,513
    [URL="http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/dwayne-harris/"]Dwayne Harris[/URL] at Wide Receiver $559,145
    [URL="http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/andre-holmes/"]Andre Holmes[/URL] at Wide Receiver $465,000
    [URL="http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/teddy-williams/"]Teddy Williams[/URL] at Wide Receiver $465,000
    [URL="http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/saalim-hakim/"]Saalim Hakim[/URL] at Wide Receiver $48,333

    [URL="http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/dez-bryant/"]Dez Bryant[/URL] at Wide Receiver $1,335,000
    [URL="http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/miles-austin/"]Miles Austin[/URL] at Wide Receiver $1,150,000
    [URL="http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/kevin-ogletree/"]Kevin Ogletree[/URL] at Wide Receiver $615,000
    [URL="http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/dwayne-harris/"]Dwayne Harris[/URL] at Wide Receiver $465,000
    [URL="http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/andre-holmes/"]Andre Holmes[/URL] at Wide Receiver $465,000
    [URL="http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/teddy-williams/"]Teddy Williams[/URL] at Wide Receiver $465,000
    [URL="http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/danny-coale/"]Danny Coale[/URL] at Wide Receiver $390,000
    [URL="http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/saalim-hakim/"]Saalim Hakim[/URL] at Wide Receiver $390,000
    Was going to post the base salary and average salary of several teams. GB, NO, PIT etc. but this site takes up too much space. All the teams are there.

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    I want them to pay him the least they can so they have as much left over for other players next year. But I also want it to be enough and incentive laden enough to keep Wallace motivated to produce.

    I don't want to pay him too much. But I don't want him sulking either. Pay him just right. That's all I ask.

    As a Steelers fan, I always want my team to get a deal and every other team to overpay for guys. Whatever positions us to win, that's what I want.

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