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    Quote Originally Posted by D Rock View Post
    Care to address the fact that when he did throw, he didn't do it nearly as well as he did outside of the redzone?

    Dammit Ben, throw better when you pass the ball the other 35% of first downs in the redzone.
    Not hard to stop when people know what's coming.

    He came back from suspension, and the Steelers had 24 first down plays in the redzone I believe after his first 9 games.

    19 runs, 5 passes.

    Then, in 2011, they had 19 first down plays in the redzone to start their season:

    18 runs, 1 pass.

    When you are THAT predictable on first down and it fails? 2nd down becomes predictable as well.

    Just like the Super Bowls he's been in. They have 24 TOTAL red zone plays in three Super Bowls.

    16 runs, 8 passes.

    That's not "balance", but no one says a word as long as it's the beloved run game getting the work because we have to run the ball like Franco and Jerome did.

    Again, why are you paying Ben big money to be Trent Dilfer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCoast View Post
    I've brought this up a few years ago. Ben might not be all the problem in the redzone, but he is certainly a piece of it. With a short field, a lot comes down to presnap recognition. Ben has the option to audible out of any play, so why doesn't he when he sees a particular defense? Rather than trusting his reads, he is waiting for guys to break free in coverage....not an easy thing to do in the red zone.
    With two TE's on the field? Who's he going to audible too? David freaking Johnson?

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    Crash stats do show both lack of R/P balance and predictability in the red zone. With less space to operate in, offenses need unpredictability and need to dominate with size and power and scheme, all of which our RZ offense has lacked or not used well. I am expecting Haley to correct for schemes and utilization of TEs, and for more power from the OL and RBs.






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    Quote Originally Posted by D Rock View Post
    Care to address the fact that when he did throw, he didn't do it nearly as well as he did outside of the redzone?

    Dammit Ben, throw better when you pass the ball the other 35% of first downs in the redzone.
    I suspect every QB in the NFL has a lower throwing percentage in the redzone. It only makes sense because they have less field to work with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crash View Post
    Not hard to stop when people know what's coming.

    He came back from suspension, and the Steelers had 24 first down plays in the redzone I believe after his first 9 games.

    19 runs, 5 passes.

    Then, in 2011, they had 19 first down plays in the redzone to start their season:

    18 runs, 1 pass.

    When you are THAT predictable on first down and it fails? 2nd down becomes predictable as well.

    Just like the Super Bowls he's been in. They have 24 TOTAL red zone plays in three Super Bowls.

    16 runs, 8 passes.

    That's not "balance", but no one says a word as long as it's the beloved run game getting the work because we have to run the ball like Franco and Jerome did.

    Again, why are you paying Ben big money to be Trent Dilfer?
    what were the results of those redzone passes he did attempt? I would imagine they should be good considering that everyone knows and expects the Steelers to run in the redzone, and the times he did pass it would therefore be unexpected.

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    everyone knows and expects the Steelers to run in the redzone,


    And that's the freaking problem.

    Too worried about re-living the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crash View Post
    That's not "balance", but no one says a word as long as it's the beloved run game getting the work because we have to run the ball like Franco and Jerome did.
    No one says a word? Yeah, we are all just THRILLED with our Red Zone production. What planet do you live on?


    The Rams' offense featuring weapons such as Marshall Faulk, Torrey Holt, and Isaac Bruce were known as "The Greatest Show on Turf"

    The Steelers' offense featuring weapons such as Le'Veon Bell and Martavis Bryant should be known as "The Greatest Show on Grass"

    This has nothing at all to do with respective playing surfaces at the Edward Jones Dome vs. Heinz Field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flippy View Post
    Maybe Ben should take all shots to the endzone between the 50 and 20 yard line to avoid the Redzone.
    "Wow, that was easier than putting! I should just get the ball in the hole on the first shot all the time." - Happy Gilmore



    The Rams' offense featuring weapons such as Marshall Faulk, Torrey Holt, and Isaac Bruce were known as "The Greatest Show on Turf"

    The Steelers' offense featuring weapons such as Le'Veon Bell and Martavis Bryant should be known as "The Greatest Show on Grass"

    This has nothing at all to do with respective playing surfaces at the Edward Jones Dome vs. Heinz Field.

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    No one says a word?


    About the predictable run game in the redzone? Nope.

    Ben gets the blame, as this article proves.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Crash View Post
    About the predictable run game in the redzone? Nope.

    Ben gets the blame, as this article proves.


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    No one is blaming Ben for the red zone problems but you...

    Ben's completion percentage is significantly worse in the red zone compared to the rest of the field...

    Personally, I blame Arians more than Ben...

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