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    Stop the Madness!!

    Some are saying that Dont'a Hightower is too slow to be anything but a 2 down LB'er or that he is in adequate in coverage. This is not true. He was a 3 down back at Alabama in Nick Saban's 3-4 zone blitz and although he isnt great in coverage he is far from inadequate. If he isnt the guy you want the Steelers to draft, cool, but dont just make up stuff because about Hightower because he isnt your pick.

    Here are some clips of him. Please watch them.

    watch the 6 play on this clip. Hightower picks up the back in the flat and has him blanketed. Also you will notice that Hightower was used all over the place. Even off the edge as a DE.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzJ3o1heM5E

    These next clips all show how quick he plays. From the ILB spot he is able to get hits on these QB's. And they arent just hits. They are violent hits.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBe6Ez1O ... re=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fdY8xns ... re=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOYCrxD- ... re=related
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    Re: Stop the Madness!!

    In the nickel, you take out your NT and replace him with a DB. Our DE's shift inside to DT's, our OLB's put their hands on the ground as rush ends, and our two ILB's stay put.

    Hightower would still be in the nickel, next to Timmons.

    But in the dime, you replace your NT and one of your ILB's with 2 DB's. You still have the four man line up front like in the nickel, but now have only one ILB in the game. The dime ILB is typically the faster guy with more range and coverage ability (while still being able to rush the passer if a ILB blitz up the middle is called).

    Timmons is the dime backer. Hightower would be on the sidelines.

    Survey says...he'd be a 2.5 down player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RuthlessBurgher
    In the nickel, you take out your NT and replace him with a DB. Our DE's shift inside to DT's, our OLB's put their hands on the ground as rush ends, and our two ILB's stay put.

    Hightower would still be in the nickel, next to Timmons.

    But in the dime, you replace your NT and one of your ILB's with 2 DB's. You still have the four man line up front like in the nickel, but now have only one ILB in the game. The dime ILB is typically the faster guy with more range and coverage ability (while still being able to rush the passer if a ILB blitz up the middle is called).

    Timmons is the dime backer. Hightower would be on the sidelines.

    Survey says...he'd be a 2.5 down player.
    I'd take Hightower as a 2.5-3 down player without hesitation because I do know that a NT like Poe will be watching 1.5 of those downs from the sideline.

    An impact ILB is more importnat right now for our defense than a NT.
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    Re: Stop the Madness!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Oviedo
    Quote Originally Posted by RuthlessBurgher
    In the nickel, you take out your NT and replace him with a DB. Our DE's shift inside to DT's, our OLB's put their hands on the ground as rush ends, and our two ILB's stay put.

    Hightower would still be in the nickel, next to Timmons.

    But in the dime, you replace your NT and one of your ILB's with 2 DB's. You still have the four man line up front like in the nickel, but now have only one ILB in the game. The dime ILB is typically the faster guy with more range and coverage ability (while still being able to rush the passer if a ILB blitz up the middle is called).

    Timmons is the dime backer. Hightower would be on the sidelines.

    Survey says...he'd be a 2.5 down player.
    I'd take Hightower as a 2.5-3 down player without hesitation because I do know that a NT like Poe will be watching 1.5 of those downs from the sideline.

    An impact ILB is more importnat right now for our defense than a NT.
    If Poe can collapse the pocket better than Hood or Heyward, then he'd stay on the field as one of the nickel/dime DT's (a guy that big will need breathers now and then, so he won't be on the field all time, but he's not just a plugger to take up blockers and stuff the run...he displayed the movement skills to be disruptive as a pass rusher as well).

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    If we don't have guys who can collapse the pocket then we won't have to worry about who is a two down, 2.5 down, or three down player...........as we might never get to third down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steeler_fan_in_t.o.
    If we don't have guys who can collapse the pocket then we won't have to worry about who is a two down, 2.5 down, or three down player...........as we might never get to third down.
    This is the great thing about Hightower. If you look at those clips you can see he is a force inside with the blitz. He himself can collapse the pocket.
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    Re: Stop the Madness!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dee Dub
    Some are saying that Dont'a Hightower is too slow to be anything but a 2 down LB'er or that he is in adequate in coverage. This is not true. He was a 3 down back at Alabama in Nick Saban's 3-4 zone blitz and although he isnt great in coverage he is far from inadequate. If he isnt the guy you want the Steelers to draft, cool, but dont just make up stuff because about Hightower because he isnt your pick.

    Here are some clips of him. Please watch them.

    watch the 6 play on this clip. Hightower picks up the back in the flat and has him blanketed. Also you will notice that Hightower was used all over the place. Even off the edge as a DE.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzJ3o1heM5E

    These next clips all show how quick he plays. From the ILB spot he is able to get hits on these QB's. And they arent just hits. They are violent hits.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBe6Ez1O ... re=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fdY8xns ... re=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOYCrxD- ... re=related
    Anyone with 2 feet could have blanketed the RB on that play because he was stopped in his tracks by the blitzing DB.

    The other hits were nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oviedo
    I'd take Hightower as a 2.5-3 down player without hesitation because I do know that a NT like Poe will be watching 1.5 of those downs from the sideline.

    An impact ILB is more importnat right now for our defense than a NT.
    Timmons is sure as hell being paid like an impact ILB, and the Steelers don't need 2 impact ILBs. Timmons and a solid ILB should be fine.

    The defense does need a NT. A good NT will occupy blockers and free up the LBers and other ends to make plays. If the NT could push the pocket, that would also be a plus.

    That said, if I had to rank players today, I'd rank Hightower over Poe. Hightower fits the Steelers mold -- big program, college success, etc. Poe, on the other hand, is more of a boom or bust type pick.

    In the last 20 years, the Steelers have essentially made three boom or bust picks. One of those (Ben) worked very well; the other two (Troy Edwards and Jamain Stephens) did not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RuthlessBurgher

    If Poe can collapse the pocket better than Hood or Heyward, then he'd stay on the field as one of the nickel/dime DT's (a guy that big will need breathers now and then, so he won't be on the field all time, but he's not just a plugger to take up blockers and stuff the run...he displayed the movement skills to be disruptive as a pass rusher as well).
    Bingo... we need guys up front who can collapse the pocket.

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    Re: Stop the Madness!!

    did we really need a 4th Dont'a Hightower thread?

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