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    Re: Are You Watching, LeBeau?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shoe
    Quote Originally Posted by Dresden
    Dude,...are failing against Denver defensively was a product of not having Hampton, Keisel, Aaron, Woodley on the field with Potsie playing lights out as if he were still in his twenties.

    And when you add the same old B.S cornerback play along with a guy like Mundy playing F/S to that equation,....we were finished before the Game even began.

    Many try to bash Coach Lebeau,....but from where i stand our problems defensively are a matter of personnel, personnel, personnel,....the lack thereof.
    So Dresden,
    What would have been the more optimal gameplan/adjustment, given the circumstance as you correctly outline? (I'm not trying to be leading here, I'm just asking the question.)

    Would it be to put eight in the box, and lock up your "shutdown corner" onto a talented yet unproven WR, and hope he shuts him down? Or was the better gameplan, to accept that the Broncos would be able to move the ball running on you (with all the injuries), and trust that your defense would stiffen up &/or sufficiently confuse the inexperienced Tebow, where the room to operate shrinks (in the redzone).

    In hindsight, it was a legitimate gamplan to do the former, trusting that Ike could handle that kid. But when it became apparent that he couldn't... shouldn't the plan have been adjusted? Because despite all the talk, all the blame, etc... If Ike Taylor does his job, Steelers win.
    I don't think it made any sense to sell out on the run on the first play of OT.

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    Re: Are You Watching, LeBeau?

    Quote Originally Posted by RuthlessBurgher
    Quote Originally Posted by Oviedo
    Why would it matter if LeBeau was watching? He is too stubborn and arrogant to change anything. When was the last real innovation or changes we saw on our defense.
    Ummm...I dunno...he's called zone coverages with large cushions for years and years, and this season, we saw a bunch of press man coverage instead??? Does that count as a change???
    Shame on you, Ruthless, letting facts get in the way of a good argument.

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    Re: Are You Watching, LeBeau?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shoe
    Quote Originally Posted by Dresden
    Dude,...are failing against Denver defensively was a product of not having Hampton, Keisel, Aaron, Woodley on the field with Potsie playing lights out as if he were still in his twenties.

    And when you add the same old B.S cornerback play along with a guy like Mundy playing F/S to that equation,....we were finished before the Game even began.

    Many try to bash Coach Lebeau,....but from where i stand our problems defensively are a matter of personnel, personnel, personnel,....the lack thereof.
    So Dresden,
    What would have been the more optimal gameplan/adjustment, given the circumstance as you correctly outline? (I'm not trying to be leading here, I'm just asking the question.)

    Would it be to put eight in the box, and lock up your "shutdown corner" onto a talented yet unproven WR, and hope he shuts him down? Or was the better gameplan, to accept that the Broncos would be able to move the ball running on you (with all the injuries), and trust that your defense would stiffen up &/or sufficiently confuse the inexperienced Tebow, where the room to operate shrinks (in the redzone).

    In hindsight, it was a legitimate gamplan to do the former, trusting that Ike could handle that kid. But when it became apparent that he couldn't... shouldn't the plan have been adjusted? Because despite all the talk, all the blame, etc... If Ike Taylor does his job, Steelers win.

    You are in fact correct sir,..and i most certainly agree that it was indeed a legitimate gameplan given the circumstances.

    Again, for me though it comes down us wanting Coach Lebeau to prepare a five star gourmet meal with nothing but Spam and canned goods in a galley sized kitchen.

    With Coach Cowher's players getting old and falling apart,...we just no longer have the same capability to dominate teams with our front seven.

    And our system is so designed for the front seven to protect bum Corners like Chard Scott, De lame washington, William Gay, Mcfadden,....and even Ike. (whom to me has never been elite,...just the best of the inferior corners we seem to be absolutely comfortable with putting on the field year in and year out)

    Bottom line,... if anyone were to attempt to run a 3-4 defense without a stud NT, with an end with an average 4-3 DT skill set whom gets pushed around by single blockers, (Hood) no pass rush whatsoever from stud bookend olb's, no stud ILB and 4-3 pursuit linebacker whom is rendered useless if anyone puts their hands on him, (Timmons) along with average to below average corners,......you are in considerable trouble sir.
    1) Alameda Ta'amu, NT, Washington

    2) Miles Burris, LB San Diego State

    3) Jordan White, WR, WMU

    4) Mychal Kendricks, LB, Cal

    5) Blake Gideon, F/S, Texas

    6) Matt Conrath, DE, VA

    7) Adam Nissley, TE, UCF

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    Re: Are You Watching, LeBeau?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shoe
    Exactly...

    Our traditional defensive scheme, the scheme that we've played for 15-20 years now, is the basic blueprint to beating that team. Allow nothing deep, and look to confuse young and untalented (throwing-wise) QBs. It's why LeBeau is undefeated vs. rookie QBs, etc. So it is absolutely dumbfounding that we went to the scheme we went to. At worst, all we had to do is let them run on us between the 20's, and stop their drive inside the 20s where everything is compacted.
    Yep!! Agreed. LeBeau chose to do the exact opposite versus the Broncos. He actually was conceding the deep pass pretty much the whole game. And at the most critical time (OT), he chose to go cover 0 and had no one deep. And he got burned and put an end to the Steelers season.

    One can defend LeBeau all they want. Pull out his legend card all they want. Bask in his past greatest all they want. But this has to go down as one of the worst defensive game plans ever.
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    Re: Are You Watching, LeBeau?

    ah, get over it people. Even if the Steelers had beaten the Donkeys, they were not going very far. They were definately were not going to the SB.

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    Re: Are You Watching, LeBeau?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dee Dub
    Quote Originally Posted by Shoe
    Exactly...

    Our traditional defensive scheme, the scheme that we've played for 15-20 years now, is the basic blueprint to beating that team. Allow nothing deep, and look to confuse young and untalented (throwing-wise) QBs. It's why LeBeau is undefeated vs. rookie QBs, etc. So it is absolutely dumbfounding that we went to the scheme we went to. At worst, all we had to do is let them run on us between the 20's, and stop their drive inside the 20s where everything is compacted.
    Yep!! Agreed. LeBeau chose to do the exact opposite versus the Broncos. He actually was conceding the deep pass pretty much the whole game. And at the most critical time (OT), he chose to go cover 0 and had no one deep. And he got burned and put an end to the Steelers season.

    One can defend LeBeau all they want. Pull out his legend card all they want. Bask in his past greatest all they want. But this has to go down as one of the worst defensive game plans ever.

    Dub,...did you not see (along with millions of others) Mundy blow his assignment due to poor technique and lack of skill/discipline ?
    1) Alameda Ta'amu, NT, Washington

    2) Miles Burris, LB San Diego State

    3) Jordan White, WR, WMU

    4) Mychal Kendricks, LB, Cal

    5) Blake Gideon, F/S, Texas

    6) Matt Conrath, DE, VA

    7) Adam Nissley, TE, UCF

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    Re: Are You Watching, LeBeau?

    Dynamic 4-3 schemes (SF and NYG) have greater efficacy against high powered offenses aided by newly formatted NFL pass happy rule changes. Simple math really, the above noted D's get pressure on opposing QBs, with only 4 rushers while our 3-4 scheme requires 7 stacked in the box to help get pressure. That's why spread offenses like the *'s have had great success finding the soft spots in our zone coverages. I think with however many more 3-4 defensive schemes that are now being used, we've had our talent depth thinned a bit, thus relying on keeping vets longer. Wish we would go to a 4-3, but just like the racial thing... I'm in the minority. I wish LeBeau would retire.... and take Arianus with him.

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    Re: Are You Watching, LeBeau?

    D front - Hood, McClendon, Heyward play almost the entire game, no subs

    LBs - Woodley playing injured, Farrior aging

    DBs - Clark out

    This was a D that was broken down. While the "next man up" philosophy might be well and good when you have one or two - or even more - key players go down, but not when it keeps 3 fat guys on the field all game, two of them rooks.

    This was just not going to be our year:

    Ben playing with bum ankle and thumb
    Mendenhall
    Moore
    Sanders in and out
    Starks
    Pouncey
    Colon
    Lefty
    Smitty
    Hampton
    Keisel
    Hoke
    Harrison
    Woodley
    Timmons bouncing around from position to position
    Clark for the Denver game

    These are all key contributors for our team - I stayed away from bringing up guys like Dwyer, BMac etc.

    No team goes anywhere in this league with this kind of laundry list of injuries. We kept hearing last season about how GB had 18 guys on IR but most of them you had never heard of and were not contributors. I'd even say that last year our injuries were still worse than theirs because we had key players missing and others playing beyond a reasonable level of fuunction.

    We lost. We lost and congratulated the victors, we regroup, and we move forward next year. If we can have a reasonably healthy season next year then we are once again SB contenders.

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    Re: Are You Watching, LeBeau?

    Quote Originally Posted by Steelers>NFL
    ah, get over it people. Even if the Steelers had beaten the Donkeys, they were not going very far. They were definately were not going to the SB.
    Being the best is always the goal. But i do not believe that any here truly believed that this current unit would do so,..and as such our respective "griping" is simply a matter of saying publicly,......"tighten up".

    It's necessary homie.
    1) Alameda Ta'amu, NT, Washington

    2) Miles Burris, LB San Diego State

    3) Jordan White, WR, WMU

    4) Mychal Kendricks, LB, Cal

    5) Blake Gideon, F/S, Texas

    6) Matt Conrath, DE, VA

    7) Adam Nissley, TE, UCF

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    Re: Are You Watching, LeBeau?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dresden
    Quote Originally Posted by Dee Dub
    Quote Originally Posted by Shoe
    Exactly...

    Our traditional defensive scheme, the scheme that we've played for 15-20 years now, is the basic blueprint to beating that team. Allow nothing deep, and look to confuse young and untalented (throwing-wise) QBs. It's why LeBeau is undefeated vs. rookie QBs, etc. So it is absolutely dumbfounding that we went to the scheme we went to. At worst, all we had to do is let them run on us between the 20's, and stop their drive inside the 20s where everything is compacted.
    Yep!! Agreed. LeBeau chose to do the exact opposite versus the Broncos. He actually was conceding the deep pass pretty much the whole game. And at the most critical time (OT), he chose to go cover 0 and had no one deep. And he got burned and put an end to the Steelers season.

    One can defend LeBeau all they want. Pull out his legend card all they want. Bask in his past greatest all they want. But this has to go down as one of the worst defensive game plans ever.

    Dub,...did you not see (along with millions of others) Mundy blow his assignment due to poor technique and lack of skill/discipline ?
    Wrong! Look at the tape. Pre-snap Mundy is racing forward. He ends up inside the box 5 yards off the LOS. This has nothing to do with technique. This is a cover 0 formation. Both Troy and Mundy are inside the box. This is an all out run blitz. This was a horrible call. Only one man makes defensive calls for the Steelers and he blew it on this one.

    Look for yourself....

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